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13 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:
I think you overestimate the amount of people that sign petitions. 7 million is a huge amount considering the initial vote numbers. But yes people are idiots and did vote for it you are right. I've just always been of the belief that if we make a mistake we should try to reverse it and no deal Brexit is going to fuck this country good and proper, even more so post Covid.
Anyway speaking of Brexit apparently Boris now thinks his own deal is bad.
I think it’s unfair to call everyone who voted for Brexit an idiot. The remain campaign was terrible. They didn’t focus on any of the positive things the EU has done for us or the benefits we get.
They just threatened people and focused on the negative stuff all the time. It really was an awful campaign.
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3 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:
68 million live in the UK, but only 17,410,742 voted for Brexit...
Yes but the petition only got 7 million signatures. If the other 51 million had felt upset at Brexit they surely would have signed.
I think Brexit will be a huge mistake but people voted for it twice so it’s where we are .
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6 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
How did the revoke article 50 petition that got over 7 million signatures go?
About 68 million live in the uk though and wether we like it or not they won the referendum and then a general election on the back of Brexit.
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1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said:
And millions on the street would make even more of an impact.
Nope. I get the impression that too many people are seeing it as a chance to go out drinking and be in a crowd with their mates after been frustrated in lockdown. Seeing hundreds of boozed up people throwing bottles at and attacking the police undermines the cause completely.
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17 minutes ago, blutarsky said:
This is one of the worst takes in this whole topic for me.
The two things aren’t even remotely comparable. Bringing up the idea of it being UNFAIR that there’s been one off cancellation of festivals because of a genuine medical need, compared to hundreds of years of systemic abuse and oppression is laughable. We’re ultimately talking about the root of this being slave ships kidnapping people from Africa, shipping them across the Atlantic and selling them as if they are possessions.On the other hand, sdsm123 isn’t being allowed to go to Bearded theory. SOCIAL JUSTICE OUTRAGE!
To pick up on one other comment here - people aren’t being ‘allowed’ to protest. The government have actively said don’t protest. But that’s kind of the point of a protest, no?
The thing is, do those things work? Colin Kaepernick took a knee during the anthem in 2016. His contract wasn’t renewed. When it comes to systemic abuse people don’t listen to simple acts of peaceful defiance.
Out of Emily Davison throwing herself under the King’s horse, and women standing around with rosettes on, which made more difference in bringing about universal suffrage?
Do you think Maggie That her would I’ve abandoned the Poll Tax if people had stood outside their front doors and shouted ‘shame on you Mrs Thatcher’?
People are angry and want things to change, and this is the only way they can see that they can help bring about that change, and I for one don’t fucking blame them.
I personally am not at the stage of wanting to join a protest myself because of Covid, but that’s probably my white privilege isn’t it.
I think they do work when enough people get behind it.A petition signed by millions or the world turning its lights out for 30 minutes would leave a much stronger impression on me than the videos of the attacks on police horses ( mostly from white people from what I’ve seen) and people drinking beers in the streets that we saw yesterday.
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To be honest if people feel safe enough to go to mass demonstrations and to days out on crowded beaches then they should be back at work where with social distancing measures they would probably be much safer.
Furlough was a scheme to protect people’s jobs and the economy whilst we were under lockdown. People are now treating it like a big holiday and if lockdown isn’t going to be respected anymore then they may as well try and reopen things.
I don’t like this government but too many people are trying to shirk responsibility for their own poor decisions .
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7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:
So why are you referring to the protests as if they're about events in America rather than the daily experience of black people here too? What's the source of the catalyst got to do with anything?
Of course catalysts are important. Why do people still talk about Rosa Parks?
These protests didn’t happen before the event so of course it has something to do with it.-
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There are other ways to show support. Online protests and petitions . Something of the ilk of clap for Carers every night or everyone turning off their electricity for an hour in line with the pause for thought protest.
Crowds of thousands during a pandemic is not the best way to do it.-
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19 minutes ago, Sdsm123 said:
Do we think all these black lives matters protests will be used as a weapon for the government to deflect responsibility for a second wave or a rising in the r number. I’m saying that as a Tory boy I just think they are not stopping them to add another line of blame to their arsenal of fuck ups?
I think that these protests probably will lead to an increase in the R number. The scenes in Manchester were shocking.
If the lockdown isn’t going to be enforced and observed properly then perhaps it just needs to be scrapped and people just face the consequences.
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What a surprise. Just after his no deal Brexit .
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4 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:
To be fair, Kinnock wasn't provided aid to anyone in need. He was travelling to socialise.
That was his story though as was Jenerick’s.
I don’t believe Cummings was driving to test his eyesight so I was taking all the stories as they were presented by the people involved:
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4 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:
I don't think it matters who set the policy, we all knew what the policy was and as an MP he should have set an example for everyone else. If he was already in London for work as the post above implies then that would be different for me and far more acceptable.
Believing their stories at face value.
One drove over 100 miles to his dad to give him essential supplies and then wished him happy birthday from outside the house.
The other drove over 100 miles with a small child and someone they believed had coronavirus and then after that drove a car with a small child in the back to check that he was in a fit state to drive and wouldn’t crash.
These stories aren’t even in the same orbit. Why are you trying to link them?
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1 minute ago, Cream Soda said:
To me those situations are very similar and both breaching the rules. No distance was ever put in place but everyone knows what "local" means and 100 miles isn't it, nor is Wales to London.
They are very similar and we’re both wrong. That was the point I was ( perhaps badly) trying to make. When I said criticism sorry I meant in comparison to what Cummings did. What he did was far more reckless and the governments attempt to sweep it away has been a national embarrassment.
People on social media saying that Cummings should stay because Kinnock stayed are just plain wrong:
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2 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:
I was just wondering what the situations were with the labour party MPs as I'd heard nothing about them. I'd heard nothing about Jenrick either.
He drove over 100 miles to his parents home via his second home in order to drop of key supplies. Conservatives accept that this was in rules despite the distance and nothing more was made of it. That’s just one of the reasons why it find it very hard to accept their criticism of Kinnock
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Robert Jenrick also broke lockdown just in case you are trying to paint a narrative of this just been because Cummings is linked to the Conservative party.
That might not be what you were trying to do just wondered why you focused on the two labour politicians.
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Also this is a government who were happy to share fake far right videos in order to discredit Starmer. If they felt there was anything in the Kinnock story they would have used it by now.
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2 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:
Looks like it wasn't a local trip, Wales to London. Clearly not essential travel. Is an apology good enough and would we all have accepted that and moved on if Cummings had said sorry?
I can't find anything about who the other one is.
It’s very different for me. Cummings helped to set the rules and is currently in government. He also deliberately tried to cover it up and refused to acknowledge what he did.
The fact that Kinnock so publicly showed what he had done suggests that he really didn’t think he had done anything wrong but still apologised. Something Cummings has failed to do.
I think if Cummings had apologised then the majority of Conservative supporters would have shown him a lot more empathy.
Its now become much more than Cummings. It’s about a government taking the public more morons and doing anything to protect itself no matter how morally wrong.
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13 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:
Keep seeing comments on Twitter about two Labour MPs breaking the rules...heard nothing about it. Who are they and why were they not sacked?
Only one I know about is Kinnock. He posted a photo of him sitting outside his dad’s house on his dad’s birthday. Said he took some essential supplies round and had a social distanced birthday celebration. Never went in the house.
He was warned by the police on social media and publicly apologised
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Surely anyone drunk driving now will be able to say they were just going for a test drive to see if they were safe to drive home?
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5 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:
It's not about any one individual for me. It's about whether I want police going through people's (anyone's) bank/phone records to try and prove they've broken lockdown and the answer to that for me is no. Also what more could it add to the situation? He's already admitted to more than enough to warrant getting rid.
I don’t think the issue is just breaking lockdown anymore. It’s about proving that the government and its advisers are lying and deliberately hiding the truth. That’s how I justify it any way.
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Anyone saying going through his phone records would be unfair should remember that Cummings had the police go through Sonia Kahn’s phone records to get her sacked without following any HR procedures at all.
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Some journalists have pointed out that point 14 of the code of conduct for special advisers states that they should not make any statements or take public part in political controversy.
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3 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:
Wonder why. What is so great about Cummings that makes him indispensable? Surely there are others out there who could do the job. Or does he have something on Boris? The mind boggles at this whole situation.
His wife’s brother allegedly has strong links with Firtash who allegedly donated millions to the leave campaign and the conservative election campaign.
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Maybe he’s stepping down?
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Tim Burgess has pretty much self confirmed .
Final guess is Mogwai, Charlatans and Pet Shop Boys based on not a lot.
Would love to see Baxter Dury and Tindersticks on the bill.