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  1. 1 minute ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

    Nina Kraviz is pro-Putin? Thing is, Russia these days doesn't sound like the kind of place where you can easily be anti-Putin without getting in some trouble, especially in wartime.

    Sidenote: makes me roll my eyes a little bit how some people think of  Russians are these dim-witted sheep that believe all their government's lies, as if our countries aren't also full of idiots that easily fall for propaganda. I'm noticing more and more anti-Russian sentiment these days; other day I was with some friends and I mentioned that I would love to visit Russia someday - cue me getting weird looks as if I had just said something horrible.

    I’ve been to Russia several times. Moscow is beautiful. 

  2. 24 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

    No worries, mate. I completely appreciated the sensitivity of the topic.

    Look, I actually agree with you for the most part. I don't think it's in the right taste to book her and that's why I think she'll probably get dropped. Where I think we're differing is the motivation to drop her. I think it should be because of views she's expressed in the past, not just because she's from Russia. (I may have even misinterpreted your meaning here earlier too).

    My worry is when we draw lines around nationalities. Lending from your example, Oskar Schindler, a German and member of the Nazi party during WWII, is credited for saving the lives of 1,200 jews. Sometimes things aren't as black and white as we'd like hence my reply when I took your comment as meaning that every Russian needs to be targeted.

     

    24 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

    No worries, mate. I completely appreciated the sensitivity of the topic.

    Look, I actually agree with you for the most part. I don't think it's in the right taste to book her and that's why I think she'll probably get dropped. Where I think we're differing is the motivation to drop her. I think it should be because of views she's expressed in the past, not just because she's from Russia. (I may have even misinterpreted your meaning here earlier too).

    My worry is when we draw lines around nationalities. Lending from your example, Oskar Schindler, a German and member of the Nazi party during WWII, is credited for saving the lives of 1,200 jews. Sometimes things aren't as black and white as we'd like hence my reply when I took your comment as meaning that every Russian needs to be targeted.

    No you didn’t misinterpret me. I think ALL Russians should be not booked. That is what cultural sanctions mean. And to a country like Russia - which has a huge cultural heritage - it will, and should, hurt. I don’t dislike Russians. I just think that this is a useful tool in the sanctions toolbox and should be used. 

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  3. 16 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

    Absolutely agree. Russians, like everyone else in world, should be proud of where they come from. Being proud of your country is different than being proud of your governments choices.

    I’m pro- British, anti most of what Britain does. That’s pretty normal everywhere I reckon. Don’t get your point. 

  4. 33 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

    I'm 90% certain that you are just a troll.

    You told me to grow up when I made a direct comparison Russian colonialism in the 21st century to British and American colonialism in the 21st century but you are now comparing Nina Kraviz to Hitler?

    Despite this I will dignify your argument with a response. If Hitler after WW1 met an inclusive open minded community that showed him different viewpoints then maybe he wouldn't have taken the path he did. 

    I recommend you look up the work off Daryl Davis. A black man who has spent his life befriending KKK members and has managed to successfully convert KKK members into non-racists 

    Assuming Nina Kraviz is pro-Putin and pro-war, maybe she will meet her Daryl Davis at Glastonbury 

    Now is not the time to ‘convert’ Nina kraviz. She finds herself on the wrong side of the debate and that should be recognised by the organisers. I’m no troll. 

  5. 3 minutes ago, blutarsky said:

    Yeah, caution needed. If she's actively Pro-Putin then the festival shouldn't be paying/promoting her in my view. If she's just remaining neutral then the festival offers a platform for her to be swayed, and maybe express a view. 

    Fuck, life is difficult. Nothing's binary is it. Except this:  

     

    One of the world superpowers is killing the citizens of its sovereign European neighbours. How can anyone be ‘neutral’ about that?

  6. 2 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

    Haha, I was happy to run away but now I can't help but get involved!

    I mostly agree too but I think we just need to be careful about lumping everything under the one banner... Is Nina:

    Pro-Russia: Looks like it
    Pro-Putin: Possibly, maybe even probably
    Pro-War: I haven't seen that to support that


     

    Mate, apologies for the fuck you. But…. looking for reasons to book someone who clearly shouldn’t be there for reasons one and two and possibly three is baffling to me. Festival goers standard ng up and telling her to just do one would be brilliant. 

  7. 3 minutes ago, blutarsky said:

      

    Lots of debate on this - I think if it's moved to the Discussion forum it will get lost, and derail another thread. As it's about a confirmed booking for the upcoming edition of the festival, I figure it's appropriate to have a thread in the Glastonbury forum about it. 

    Personally I'm on board with @Florian Saucer Attack's view: "If Nina Kraviz is actually pro Putin and pro war then maybe it's better she goes to events like Glastonbury and meets people with different view points and maybe that will change her mind. Rather than shunning her and other Russian artists which might lead to them doubling down on their beliefs"

    Given the Russian State's media control and iron rule, and the fact NK will presumably have family living in Russia, I can understand her not taking a strong stand. Not everyone has steadfast convictions / morals etc.

    Anyway, I say invite people to come and learn, don't exclude them and isolate them which could lead to them becoming further entrenched in their position. The question is whether she's of a view where her mind could be changed or view could be widened. 

    Hitler could have sold his watercolours in the craft fields and he’d have buzzed on the vegetarian offers on hand. Think of how he might have turned out if he’d come to Glastonbury. 

  8. 51 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

    "Literally everything that gives Russia and Russians any positive profile has no place in any cultural environment at the moment."

    That's quite literally the definition of xenophobia.

    No it isn’t. And fuck you. 

  9. 19 minutes ago, TheDayman said:

    Sorry chief, just to be clear it was the "and Russians any positive profile" comment that I felt was xenophobic, not your own (and even that one I think was probably emotionally charged too).

    I get you though, and agree. As a rule I try not to take my steer from social media but digging deeper did give me further insight into Nina's political position which isn't in line with mine. If she gets dropped, I believe it'll be the right choice.

    My problem is with the state, not it's people and Nina appears to be pro-state, which gave me the context I needed.

    My comment was neither xenophobic nor emotionally charged. Denying high profile Russian artists a platform (especially those with an ambiguous - at best - view of Putin)  is an important part of the sanction approach. That is both rational and in line with the general support of the Ukraine people. 

  10. 12 minutes ago, Winslow Leach said:

    When someone gave you a comparable situation from recent history you told them to grow up...

    False equivalents. Just what the Ukrainians need. And yes I do understand that South Africa was not an equivalent in war terms; my point was about cultural and sporting sanctions, which did have an impact. 

  11. 2 hours ago, Radiochicken said:

    It might feel good at the surface level, but removing artists like this (see: Wimbledon also) doesn’t help Ukraine in the slightest - not even indirectly. It affects the war by zilch. Thousands of other things we can do to help Ukraine.

    Worked for South Africa. It is part of a full sanctions programme which impacts in its entirety. 

  12. 8 hours ago, TheDayman said:

    Thats a fairly outrageous statement.

    It’s pretty much the most common viewpoint held worldwide. The planet is doing everything it can to isolate Russia, including the ‘cancellation’ of high profile artists. Try getting a ticket for a Russian ballet. 
    I find some views on here very strange. 

  13. 2 minutes ago, Twiggy553 said:

    Permitted by who? I just think it is too easy to say from a comfy armchair in the UK (who for all it’s failings doesn’t quite so publicly murder it’s political detractors) when you don’t have a Russian passport.

    Ask a Ukrainian in a non-comfy armchair if Glastonbury should be booking Russia’s highest profile musician; see what they say. 

  14. 7 minutes ago, Twiggy553 said:

    Inactivity/silence on the issue i could totally understand. If she’s out there publicly defending the war then sure she doesn’t deserve a platform.

    Silence and inactivity isn’t permitted though. She’s not the victim, the people of Ukraine are. Literally everything that gives Russia and Russians any positive profile has no place in any cultural environment at the moment. 

  15. 5 minutes ago, TASHMA BWABWE said:

    Not necessarily. I certainly don't think that's being "clearly pro-putin, now and in the past.", and I haven't found anything concrete to back up that assertion.

    It's true that her saying "I am praying for peace" is not the condemnation of Putin or out-right support for Ukraine that would put appease her fans or some Glastonbury-goers unfamiliar with her on this matter. 

    "I don’t find it necessary for myself to publicly take a stance on issues."

    I am excited about the Arcadia lineup and I might go and see Nina Kraviz if the timing suits (I've only seen her play once, which was after Aphex Twin at his Warehouse Project show when I thought she was excellent and much better than I expected), but I'm certainly not a massive fan or anything. However, if she publicly came out in support of Putin between now and then, I'd vote with my feet. But then I don't expect  her to.

    Anyway, I'll probably duck out from discussing Nina Kraviz' politics any further in favour of being excited about the festival and its lineup announcements.

    The defending of her booking is worse than the booking itself. It is crass. 

  16. 4 minutes ago, Florian Saucer Attack said:

    Should every British and American artist that didn't speak out against the Iraq and Afghanistan wars not have played Glastonbury?

    Grow up

  17. 6 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

    If she needs discussing then set a dedicated thread up if you want to talk about her so not to distract from the Arcadia hype. 

    No

  18. Just now, nikkic said:

    I don’t really get this viewpoint tbh. 

    You can be against the war without posting Fuck Putin on Twitter.

    If she has a lot of friends and family in Russia, perhaps voicing a strong opinion like this would put them in danger. 

     

    Maybe. But she has expressed pro Putin views in the past, didn’t speak out about Crimea and absolutely should not be playing at Glastonbury this year. 

  19. 22 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

    It’s irrelevant if one artist is a little controversial. She’s just one name amongst some fantastic artists. 
     

    It’s going to be great seeing some big names on the spider and bringing back the fireballs!

    Hardly ‘irrelevant’ though surely? 

  20. 6 minutes ago, morph100 said:

    Wikipedia (aka truth fountain) says she said PEACE on her instagram 

    She didn’t say ‘Fuck Putin’ which might have been better. She has hardly slammed the invasion and as a high profile artist she has an opportunity to reflect the true Russian opinion. Unfortunately she does: very much a nationalist. 

  21. 6 minutes ago, Junglist1981 said:

    Is that the same lady who’s an unapologetic Putin fan? The one that Nastia has been calling out on Instagram?

    Yep

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