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The winter pressures on the NHS aren't just caused by the flu. Trips and falls bed closures due to norovirus etc...
Granted flu and flu like symptoms are a massive part of that and 2018 was a really bad year but there is a plethora of information here https://nhsproviders.org/topics/delivery-and-performance/winter-pressures
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11 minutes ago, jimmillen said:
Wow pretty surprised about that!
Out and about here in Macclesfield - shops, cafes, public transport etc - still seeing nearly everyone wearing masks indoors.
Many rural areas have had little Covid so probably are more lax as it's less at the fore front of their mind.
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11 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:
Wearing them outside isn't a requirment, surprised it was being done at all.
My lads school have a rule in place that parents or carers on or around the school premises should wear face coverings.
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8 minutes ago, Havors said:
When their circumstances change for the better though they stop getting their rent paid for. So they are then paying for housing?
This biggest joke is the amount of empty properties nation wide that are just not utilised
The rent is not comparable to the private rental market.
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2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:
One of my biggest bug bears is when people complain they have to sell their house to fund their care. As if the state should pick up the tab because they want to leave their house to their middle aged children.
My biggest bug bear is people who are rightly entitled to get into social housing but when their circumstances change significantly. They are then able to continue to remain in the social dwelling for eternity.
These sorts of policies just elongate the waiting list and make social housing less obtainable for those who truely need it.
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4 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:
I'd argue we need to tax the rich.
I don't disagree... But there aren't enough rich to cover social care, NHS and all the other public services we rely on and take for granted.
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57 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
100%. I would pay more in taxes for a better funded, equipped and maintained NHS. In fact I would say more in taxes for better public services all round.
Around 60p of every £ you pay in council tax goes on social care. I'd argue there is actually a need to educate people to financially plan for old age so that the cost of social care doesnt wholly land on the state as this problem is only getting worse as people live longer.
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11 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:
Some definite growth slowdowns in Greater Manchester.
By not introducing localised rules perhaps we have learnt more.
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8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
Indy SAGE are scientists so will be part of who the PM refers to.
Perhaps be is reading this forum too toiletduck is a scientist.
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1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:
Regular shops closed, supermarkets and amazon still open. Pubs closed, McDonald's open. Just another of the same - to us independents closing down to be replaced by one soulless wetherspoons or other corporate chain is bad. For those at the top its a win
I wonder how quickly it would change if spoons said you know what bollocks to social distancing from the 21st... We're open as usual.
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23 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
Loads of different people at the time were saying India should’ve been put on the red list.
You can’t blame Indy SAGE for the delay and let Johnson off the hook. I know some people (in general, not specifically on here) like to let Johnson get away with everything but this is on him.
I'm not blaming anyone for the delay.
The delay is being caused by a number of factors. One of which is the delta variant.
Only way to stop imported variants is to close the boarder indefinitely or ensure quarentine for everyone to minimise the seepage. What about home grown variants?
Zero covid isn't going to happen and the idea of it is as dangerous at the loopy anti Vax lot.
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Just now, Ozanne said:
This can’t be stressed enough. If/when we delay step 4 of the roadmap there is only 1 person to blame, that isn’t the public, the scientists, NHS or the media; that person is Boris Johnson. He kept essentially allowed the Delta variant to come into the country and without that there would be no question about unlocking on the 21st. He is to blame, no one else.
Perhaps he wasn't advised to close the boarder?
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8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
Boris Johnson resisted the advice of his own SAGE for a while in both waves so I doubt Indy SAGE has bearing on his decision making process.
The A stands for Advisory.
You rarely see the members of sage on the media merry go round. They aren't trying to drum up emotive feelings in the electorate which influences the decisions of the government.
I've accepted an extension and I've accepted its probably never ending.
If I was PM I'd open up and those who are too scared to leave the house can stay at home and I'd give them a token payment to do so. Probably be cheaper than letting the rest of the population get back to being humans.
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Me and the family went to the pub for an hour last night while waiting for our take away to be ready for collection. First time I'd been in on a Friday night for ages... It was almost at Covid capacity and it felt really loud. It was brilliant to hear the vibrancy of life again.
Was speaking to the landlord. Thet can't really afford to keep going on the limited capacity. If they are on limited capacity at either the football or the pub he can't see how they will be able to carry on much longer.
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Just now, efcfanwirral said:
If we set the bar too low for acceptable levels, imagine the situation later in the year
I'm already expecting to be grounded this winter.
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4 minutes ago, incident said:
I assume that you noticed that the graphs he presents plot a different metric to the statement he makes?
Look, I've been posting graphs on here to prove my point - but I've at least tried to be very careful to present the actual data and in an appropriate context. If he actually showed Hospital Admissions for the North West on a Graph - yes, they have gone up, but not "shot up" and so the graph wouldn't look anything like that. Come to think of it, I did post a graph with that data about 3-4 hours ago. It looked like this:
The language used in that tweet is poles apart from what the data is showing. It's the equivalent of the headlines on Monday saying 'England Crowned European Champions' if we win on Sunday.
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6 minutes ago, jimmillen said:
I totally get that and have massive sympathy for businesses trying to survive through this. I know many haven’t succeeded. 😔
But none of this is black and white. No easy answers. If things do get seriously worse, then haven’t the past 3 lockdowns shown us that businesses suffer more in the long run from the absence of swift, decisive action?
There are potential negatives from any choice that could be made on the 21st. I’d be over the moon if we can open up without things getting worse! I just hope the government are genuinely led by the data this time around.
Totally but at the moment there is plenty of flex left in the health service, were playing a different ball game to earlier in the year. A small delay would be tolerable but we have to be very careful that we don't forget there is an acceptable level of risk and unfortunately there is a tolerable level of hospitalisations and death - like there are with many illnesses.
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3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
The situation has worsened in the NW recently.
Have you looked at the Y axis?
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20 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:
Surely they still do but at much lower levels ?
Exactly! It's all about the conversion rate.
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3 minutes ago, jimmillen said:
A whole lot of folk are very determined to ignore this nuance aren’t they. 🙄
There is a chance things get worse on the other hand it's locked in that the longer restrictions are in place more businesses close for good.
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9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
I’ve gone through it many times in my other posts if you want to see why that isn’t necessarily a definite yet.
Cases will probably always lead to hospitalisations. What's the conversion rate?
If people are scared let them stay at home. These youngsters have out their lives on hold long enough if they want to live now let them.
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36 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
Of course it’s right to worry about cases, they can lead to increased hospital admissions. I’ve said it before but we won’t be seeing the impact of this exponential rise in cases to hospitals for another week or so yet, even so hospital admissions are rising which isn’t a good sign.
I know people will say about Bolton so here’s the graph of patients in mechanical ventilators, it’s not good and only starting to drop now. We can stop more places from getting like that by delaying step 4, I really think we should.
Cases used to translate to hospitalisations...
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16 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:
We do, that's why there's a new flu jab every year.
Other viruses don't exhibit the same behaviour. E.g. Measles has at least four main different types but the vaccine developed gives general immunity against all of them.
Variants are one of the main reason why it's been so difficult to develop a reliable malaria vaccine.
Not to the extent of a mutation overwhelming the NHS we don't.
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18 minutes ago, Aeroplane Over the Sea said:
Not many other viruses are killing millions of people in a year and sprouting new variants several times a year that are increasingly more infective
One mutation and they might.
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