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1 hour ago, Simsy said:
My sister's been told by her work that because it's only "guidance" from the app to isolate, they are expected to still go into work if they get pinged.
She can work from home, and has been during previous lockdowns. There's no need for her to be in the office, but she still has to go in if she's pinged unless she actually has symptoms.
I find it weird how some companies are using the pandemic changes to move forward with more flexible ways of working, and others are sticking with the old fashioned "you must be in the office because we don't trust you".
Is it just poorly constructed communication?
Rather than saying you must go into the office if you are pinged is it not more likely to mean keep working if you are pinged sickness / stat sick pay only comes into effect if you are showing symptoms?
It is only guidance from the app and some of the blue light services are encouraging their staff to disable the contact tracing due to issues staffing shifts.
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1 hour ago, kalifire said:
FTFY
Ok, so you delay it an extra fee weeks. You have people who still aren't jabbed, or who still aren't second jabbed so you wait another 3 weeks... For them to be at full protection... It just keeps snow balling. Those most at risk have had more than ample opportunity to get double jabbed and get up to full protection (plus some will be getting boosters soon) there really isn't a lot more than can be done.
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5 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:
Given that you can still catch it when your jabbed why don't we call it what it is?
'We can't stop you getting the virus, we have via vaccination equipped your body the best we can to fight this off - good luck and have your lives back - it's this or your locked up forever'
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5 minutes ago, sisco said:
Depends what part/role. We’re introducing Hybrid working, no particulars on days in the office have been recommended/agreed. A document is being produced at the moment
Yep seems to be that central government is catching is catching up with local government in that regard now.
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15 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
Ultimately it’ll be about Sunak’s friends that are losing money by having these offices buildings empty. They are stuck though they don’t want to have a ‘government dictate’ telling people to WFH so they can’t then tell people to go back to offices either.
The civil service are being suggested to aim to go into the office 2 or 3 times a week.
It's also not just about his mates it's about business rates - which your local council gets to keep some of to out towards local services. Less commercial premises, less rates, less money for council's, less services for those who need them most.
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1 hour ago, dotdash79 said:
In around 2010 the nhs was able to operate at around 85% capacity in Summer and closer to 95% in winter. This mean if operations or procedures were cancelled in winter then they could be done in the summer.
as part of austerity that spare capacity was removed as “efficiently savings”.
Despite an 11% reduction in bed numbers, bed occupancy rate rose by 1% though.
The NHS is amazing but if you gave it a blank cheque it could still spend more and you can't run any public service like that it just doesn't work.
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4 hours ago, DeanoL said:
In normal times. Speak to doctors and nurses.
The NHS isn't just a machine. It's a load of human beings, human beings that have been under intense stress and pressure for over a year now. It's not just a case of saying "capacity is X, as long as we're below X, it's fine".
Think of the busiest, most high pressure week you've ever had at work. Now imagine working that week for a year straight. Then just when it comes to an end people start going "nah it's fine, they've shown they can do this, let's keep the pressure up".
I'm not saying that's a reason to stay shut down, or delay reopening or anything like that. But it's may be a reason to think about what you're saying and how you're framing it. It's people, not mechanisms. People can flex, and work extra hours, but only to a point and only for so long.
Beds are blocked in the NHS all year round because they can't get people out of hospital that is a pressure on the NHS and it impacts patients.
People are part of a mechanism we could build more physical capacity and have more beds but you have to be able to staff them if you could staff them what do you then do with these staff which when according to you there isn't pressure on the NHS? Pay them look at empty beds? Hire season staff?
THe NHS hasn't been at breaking point for 18 months solid parts of the NHS have had really really terrible times of it but the NHS as an entire ecosystem is not about to collapse.
At the height of the pandemic in London 999 calls were answered by neighboring ambulance services and neighboring services had assets in London responding to 999 calls that is how the system is designed to flex and that is not the present situation.
The elephant in the room is how do you stop people self isolating and therefore not answering 999 calls or emergency services having to isolate just incase they become infectious.
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21 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
That’s very good news but given how under-pressure the NHS is it won’t take much more of the admissions we are seeing before things are very difficult (they are already in some areas).
When is the NHS not under pressure? It's not designed to have loads of excess capacity (nor should it).
Did you care that it was under pressure every winter? What services are you prepared to lose to fund excess capacity?
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4 hours ago, zahidf said:
Can't they move support and resources from one area to another to mitigate the issue? It seems regional specific rather than all over
Restrictions should be a last resort. Not plan A
Ambulance services have partner services for taking 999 calls not sure if this filters to the actual sending of ambulances though.
Will ask some questions of someone who will know tomorrow as I'm interested to know.
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1 hour ago, Memory Man said:
Exactly. It seems entirely random. I was out with my partner, i got the ping and she didnt. We were outdoors at a street food thing with distanced tables.
you arent supposed to test your way out but I chose to as a proportionate response
if i came into close contact with someone i know who had it and there was a reasonable chance of me having had it i would isolate and do loads of tests. Personal responsibility….
It took 6 days to be told to stay at home too. In those 6 days I'd been further and done more than the last 18 months. Typical
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1 minute ago, Memory Man said:
Not really. Ive been double pfizered, told to isolate when i had no chance of having caught it, did 2 negative lateral flows and then decided i wasnt going to be held to the whims of a system that isnt accurate or designed for a vaccinated public.
My friend and half his office have been pinged from different interactions - now they can all work at home but imagine that was a different sort of environment where 50% of the workforce had to stay at home. All of them have had one jab, most two.
My ping 4 of us sat at a table two one side got it, 2 the other didn't. We we sat against a perspex screen
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14 minutes ago, zahidf said:
Lol what?
I'm on my last day of self isolation following being pinged for 5 days in the birdhouse.
It's only 5 days, but it's been crap. Mrs and boy can do as they please. I've taken a couple of tests just because we had them in the house - would be hard pressed to get me to self isolate next time, and given the current case numbers there will be a next time. Fully expecting another after this as I had to go to Leeds the other day and sat on a couple of places for more than 15 minutes.
Probably just uninstall the app.
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3 hours ago, dotdash79 said:
Whilst you can’t stop deaths should you stop trying to prevent deaths where possible?
when there is a death at Glastonbury or other events an inquest is held and lessons are looked to be learnt and changes implemented.
No they aren't. Not if it's a heart attack or something natural.
We have done everything practical to prevent deaths - jabbed everyone.
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5 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:
Not just picking on you but have you selected which family member you are willing to sacrifice? And have you told them so they understand it’s for the greater good?
It's not some sort of purge where picking one person from the family will save the others - people died before Covid, people have been dying through Covid of other things and people will die of Covid and other things after Covid.
Some stuff just comes down to your genetics and luck.
There are years where there are deaths at Glastonbury - should we cancel it because of that?
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1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:
At the end of the day there is going to be an exit wave whenever freedom day is announced. The virus has enough people to infect, between those who have chosen not to have the vaccine, those who can’t have it (children or those who are exempt for some medical reason) and the unlucky few who it doesn’t work on.
The argument is that waiting until all adults have been offered a second vaccine pushes that exit wave into September and October when the NHS is likely to be busier due to other respiratory viruses having the upper hand. If you think of who is protected by leaving it until then, it’s mainly healthy under 40’s who are highly unlikely to need hospital treatment if they’re infected.
You basically have three choices:
1) Reopen now and deliberately infect a shit load of healthy young people (on top of the inevitable exit wave). Accept the long covid repercussions as well as a few unlucky hospitalisations and deaths.
2) Reopen in September and have a smaller exit wave in terms of cases but the same if not higher in deaths, with serious pressure on the NHS.
3) Wait until spring 2022.
Option 2 is the one with the highest risk of overwhelming the NHS so that one is out and I don’t think the economy or society could handle another 9 months of lockdown so option 3 is a non-starter. That leaves option 1, where we take the exit wave on the chin now and reap the economic and personal freedom benefits. The big downside is that a lot of young people will end up with long covid, but that’s the least worst option IMO compared to potentially putting the NHS in danger in the autumn or another 9 months of lockdown.
And you can catch it jab or not. We're all going catch it at somepoint. The most at risk at the most protected, everyone else has has the chance of some protection.
People will end up in hospital and people will sadly die but that's unavoidable sadly.
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12 minutes ago, Ozanne said:
I know it's only my view but I would think we need to get the adults vaccinated, I'm not thinking about getting the kids done. It might not ultra cautious what I'm saying but in my mind it feels like the logical thing to do especially we are fairly close to all adults have 2 doses.
Those who haven't had two jabs are at such a low risk of complications - the way the cases are going were all going to end up catching it anyway might aswell get it over and done with.
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1 minute ago, gigpusher said:
This is actually a bigger concern and one I am most guilty of. I am still working because I want to get the annoying boring task out of the way and will probably spend most of the night doing it even though they stopped paying me an hour ago.
Yep - I've been the same (and I'm and official home worker anyway) I'm hoping when there are other options I will finish work at more reasonable hours again but it's hard to break routine... And unlike my old office it's effort to go to the pub now.
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1 minute ago, philipsteak said:
I've supervised different numbers of people at different times. I can't do my job from home but I've always worked on the basis that if the work is done to the required standard, I don't give a monkeys what else you get up to. Just don't take the piss. Might not be company policy (it never is) but it works for me
That works well for people who a set number of 'tasks' to do a day.
If you have a job where people can always do more or they always have more work to do you can't just measure outputs also you have those people who might be working insane hours because there I nobody making them go home or locking up.
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Just now, steviewevie said:
I would too with a schnecker like his.
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Just been pinged for 5 days in the birdhouse from a contact I had last Saturday evening...
Its a good job that in the mean time I've not been on the train twice. Shop multiple times. A face to face meeting. The pub. The boys swimming lesson and to school several times.
2 out of the 4 of us who had a couple of pints last Saturday pinged other two not... Must have been the perspex screen between us and another table in the pub that the two of us got the ping from.
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1 hour ago, Chapple12345 said:
Interesting article about Australia at the moment, could their previous success be about to bite them on the back?
I've often wondered close the boarder to stop the importation of mutations what's to stop the same mutation happening domestically? I'm assuming nothing other than 'odds' perhaps @Toilet Duck could enlighten me? (Again)
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13 minutes ago, JoeyT said:
So the government could have then hung him out to dry?
We both know that wouldn’t have ended up well for him.
He’s said what he thinks without even opening his mouth. It’s perfect.
It's possible his post is politically restricted, certain posts all over the public sector are even in local government such as CFO are. This stops you standing for, participating in or speaking in public at large to show an affiliation for any political party.
The roles covered by this tend to be listed on a public sector organisations website along with the policy and state things like this:
Speaking to the public at large or publishing any written or artistic work that could
give the impression that they are advocating support for a political party or someone
seeking to be a candidate; where the intention is to affect public support for a
political party. This includes giving an interview that is likely to result in the
publication of statements made or opinions expressed.That's tower Hamlets but they are all by and large the same.
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8 hours ago, Ozanne said:
This isn't a good look.
He's played it by the book. It's exactly the right thing for him to do.
He works in the public sector it's not his place to give opinion on a minister to the press.
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Just now, steviewevie said:
ok...and add covid to that and we have overstretched hospitals.
Not necessarily. Depends on the scale of Covid admissions and the other 'usual' admissions. It's not like all the flu admissions happen at the same time either, same with Covid there will be pressure points this winter like every other winter.
Elements of the NHS e.g. individual hospitals or trusts can be over stretched any winter or any day of the year. Plus the flu jab has been ramped up which should hopefully reduce the flu based pressures.
At the moment there is little suggestion that the NHS is going to be overwhelmed (different to overstretched), there is little evidence than the case to hospitalisation conversion rate is as high as it was (due to the vaccines protecting those most likely to end up in hospital).
When will this shit end?
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I'm fully expecting at somepoint I'm going to catch Covid - and it's entirely possible that I'm going to feel pretty shitty if I catch it. As of next week I'm going to be double jabbed at that point it's just a case of hoping my body can fight off the virus like it is with everything else.
Science has just boosted all of our chances.
We aren't going to be able to put this thing back in the bottle. Just have to accept that.