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that's probably more useful than a second jab (for Long Covid).

I only have anecdotal - I'm part of my local community support fro Long Covid sufferers - none of them say they feel any better for having had the jabs. As I said at the beginning of today- we are yet to have anyone who has gotten Long Covid for the first time having caught Covid for the first time after they've had both jabs. But I'm only aware of people getting Covid having had both jabs in the last few weeks so I think it's too early to set the fireworks off just yet.

yes both jabs - she's in her 60s

The latest government report puts Long Covid cases at - 945,000 people living in private households in the UK (1.46% of the population) https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/bulletins/prevalenceofongoingsymptomsfollowingcoronaviruscovid19infectionintheuk/5august2021

interesting that most spokespeople for Long Covid sufferers groups don't tend to bear out that figure (3 months after The Guardian published it): https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/health/coronavirus/long-covid-sufferer-calls-for-more-support-for-those-with-ongoing-coronavirus-symptoms-after-worst-16-months-of-my-life-3353706

22% of those who get Covid - by government's scientists' own reckoning - https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/962830/s1079-ons-update-on-long-covid-prevalence-estimate.pdf

...and what will 10 million workers off for a year with post viral fatigue do to the economy? Much like this government you're not thinking long term. Or say all the workers in a sector - like say Festivals or live music? Ah maybe if you're a government that's not a fan of those sectors you are thinking long term...

Not that I'm aware of most showed symptoms of long covid having been jabbed after they already had had covid, and have been subsequently been second jabbed. There's two who were asymptomatic and have no idea when they caught it they just have Long Covid now - but I suspect that was before their second jab (due to average Long Covid symptom appearance times). The length of time until Long Covid develops means no one knows yet if the double jabbed that have it now will develop it, I know two double jabbed sufferers at present - one a reviewer for this very website and one's my accountant - they are unlikely to exhibit Long Covid until Christmas by my reckoning (if at all). But it's unlikely that a vaccine would halt post viral fatigue - none have in the past.

As I say I know of at least 20 friends with Long Covid - a handful of which have been told they will have it for life - that's at home unable to do sod all for the rest of their days, I'm sure they can see no endpoint at present. I find it interesting that Insurance companies are refusing to cover it in policies and even employers are starting to have difficult decisions with 1 in 4 of those with Covid having Long Covid - if we are going to infect the whole population with it - we better have a back up for the debilitating long term effects if we intend to put 10 million or so in the Long Covid corner. A friend of mine was a decent compound archer he caught Covid in April this year - he's only just started showing symptoms of Long Covid a few weeks ago - now he can't even hold his bow up and walks with difficulty with a stick - he's 23. At the moment Long Covid isn't even classed as a disability. https://www.reward-strategy.com/opinion/should-long-covid-be-considered-a-disability-19777

but much like fight Club we don't talk about hypercytokinemia 😉

my guess would be hypercytokinemia due to other medication

oh indeed- same with most of the Pacific islands.

you do know how mRNA vaccines work? You're talking like it's a Smallpox vaccine or summit - it's not a vaccine that confers immunity it's a trigger (of ever lowering efficacy ofver time) for an immune response inside the body which once infected produces antibodies, that protects us (in most cases) from getting hospitalised. It doesn't make you bulletproof - only social distancing will stop you contracting in the first place. There's also as yet no evidence the vaccine stops you getting Long Covid month later from the original infection - even with vaccinia you often get post-viral fatigue (I got a virus at Glasto in 2019 and didn't enjoy how bad the fatigue was that came after and how much it effected my job and that was before Covid.

In other news sad to hear of the first hospitalisation at the Paralympics today: https://www.forbes.com/sites/siladityaray/2021/08/26/tokyo-paralympics-reports-first-covid-19-hospitalization/?sh=51fd4a826906

ah okay - I was just talking most of the pool of interesting musical touring talent I'm interested in these days that isn't white kids with guitars. My biggest concern is the large number of people I know with Long Covid, three of them, in a similar trade to me, are delivery drivers for a local well known Farm produce supplier down the road, who have had it for over 3 months now and not been behind the wheel in all that time. As a worker who has big face to face delivery round myself of around 500 shops every couple of months - I'm not looking forward to missing out on the summer work if I catch anything this winter (like they did last winter when I wasn't working due to lockdown). Mind you I think I may leave it a few years before visiting my relations in Australia 😉 : https://townhall.com/tipsheet/mattvespa/2021/08/26/australia-has-begun-building-covid-concentration-camps-n2594763

only in 56 countries is that the case though - the rest are still fightin it, with much of Polynesia and East Asia in in complete lockdown, 63 countries have had less cases than Devon and Cornwall!

yes - one of the women who first got it back in March 2020 and then got Long Covid has been hospitalised this time around

I hadn't actually considered that before now.

immune? - 3 of my advertisers I work with have it for the second time at the moment!

weird that all medical personnel are still wearing them then, most here in Devon hospitals are double masking - you'd have thought they would know that they make no difference - being in the industry of science and that.

https://www.scotsman.com/health/coronavirus/covid-jabs-on-line-up-as-vaccine-tent-opens-at-reading-and-leeds-festivals-3360131 Covid jabs on line-up as ‘vaccine tent’ opens at Reading and Leeds festivals my two penneth: "The vaccine push comes after several music festivals have been linked to outbreaks of Covid-19 cases in recent weeks." I commend the idea but not the language. Again and again Covid vaccines are couched as being like the polio vaccine - stopping you getting the disease or any of it's symptoms, and stopping you transmitting the disease. This is not how mRNA technology works, it merely gives the body the genetic instructions it needs to prime your immune system to mount a protective immune response if you encounter the SARS-CoV-2 virus. You still get the illness and you can still transmit it - you are just able to fight it better - and less likely to suffer a Cytoking Storm - where vital organs are severely stressed by the body's natural defences. There's as yet NO evidence it prevents Long Covid (currently hitting 1 in 4 with Covid 6-10 months after infection) - it won't be until November, 10 months after the first jabs, that we will know that for sure. Yes it a "lifesaving vaccine" that offers "the best protection we can get from coronavirus" but from the worst aspects of the illness at the point of infection. Both post viral infected conditions, and viral dormancy are not prevented - and you can still get Covid again, and as anyone who has the Delta variant will tell you that's not recommended. I just don't understand why respecting social distancing at test events isn't still being recommended and also mask wearing - you can still have a good time. Anyone who was first jabbed over 3 months has at most around 75% efficacy- more likely around 60%, and with the vaccine taking a fortnight of so to fully implant the information the body needs having a jab at the festival won't help you at the event - though it may well stop severe illness a few weeks later - that's mitigation not protection. Health Secretary Sajid Javid insists: “Vaccines are saving lives and allowing us to regain the freedoms we’ve been looking forward to over the last 18 months – from visiting family abroad to festivals and gigs." Really? Here's what 20 year old Jack from Staffordshie told the local BBC Spotlight after he caught Covid at Newquay Boardmasters and was bed ridden for nine days: "My whole family's got it now, so I regret going to be honest.... it wasn't worth it." More and more infected youngsters with only one dose and elderly people with waning ethicacy 2 jabs are going to be coming to the same conclusion - and once you make a sector toxic it's very difficult to comeback from that. I seriously worry what's going to happen to the industry I love.