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Korn London Gunnersbury Park date already sold out. Shows that they do shift tickets.
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Creeper are a cool band but being booked for the third year in a row whilst other the bands don't get a look in is a piss take.
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Probably the same old story. Do Download and you can't do your own dates. Do IOW and you can. Blink 182 might wanna try for a stadium date or 2 alongside a fest so makes sense. Get a decent support bill and they'd probably sell it (especially if they took along someone like The Offspring).
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Just looked at Feeders March dates and I'm impressed they are still playing decent size venues and a fair few of them too. Would be a perfect Avalanche headliner.
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13 hours ago, RedJosh said:
I agree with you about the dual mainstage being ideal if they want to go down the route of booking someone like Parkway, Architects, Gojira, Evanescence, Sabaton, Within Temptation, Alter Bridge, etc. the chance to show what they can do with full production to test the waters before booking them to headline. Not that Parkway need it after their sub slot last year.
I think if you are going dual main stage with the same budget and space confines, you would get rid of the Dogtooth, to make space for people camping the dual main-stages, keep the 2nd stage as it is, but have it against the main headliner. You'd akso probably just book 11-12 bands between the two main stages on days 2-3 and 9 on day 1. I'd obviously keep Avalanche, but use it to book a mash up of the heavy stuff that would be in the Dogtooth on a day or two the same for what is in the Avalanche.
I like the idea of 2nd becoming a tent again, but think the incline of the hill would mean it doesn't work in that spot. It worked before because it was on pretty flat ground when it used to be inside the racetrack.
Also agree that there should always be an alternative to the main headliner and it looks like 4th stage is definitely running against main on Friday and Sunday this year, but think there should be another choice.
Dogtooth is the best stage this year so I would be against it going!
Problem with running second against main is the sound bleed. It's why I think they do go double main stage they'd need to replace second with a tent.
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2 hours ago, northernangel said:
I doubt The Prodigy will play Opus with how they work that now, it was probably one of the main reasons The Prodigy turned down Download. They would be playing 8pm the latest in pure daylight, ludicrous.
Yeah the whole Download stage/time set up is poor now I think. I suppose they are restricted by licence.
I think they really need to move to a double main stage and stick a giant tent where second is. Keep current Avalalance and Dogtooth but improve sound bleed issues. Give people more options who to see with tents running on later against main headliners. 2023 worked only cuz it was friggin' Metallica and Slipknot. Really most headliners should be playing against at least 1 other band.
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7 hours ago, gabrielomachado said:
IRON MAIDEN / Slayer / Trivium (Ascendancy) / Sepultura
The Prodigy / Poppy
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SLEEP TOKEN / Deftones / Spiritbox / Skindred
Gojira / Mastodon
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MY CHEMICAL ROMANCE / A Day To Remember / Yungblud / Creeper
Bullet For My Valentine (The Poison) / Killswitch Engage
Btw if you are including Trivium and BFMV cuz of them teasing album tours then maybe should include Mastodon* and Lamb Of God who have already announced a US tour playing their 2004 albums 🙂
*Obvs you put Mastodon in but didn't put (Leviathan) next to them
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4 hours ago, Muppetmark said:
Jesus a7x's us tour is absolutely flopping
Not surprised. Never as big as people thought they were. Haven't done anything for several years then drop a album that splits opinions. Past tours they always took out huge support bands too, so dragged in more casual fans.
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39 minutes ago, Andre91 said:
From what I’ve been told, their aim with this tour was to headline Download 2025.
Fair play.
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26 minutes ago, NorthernSoul52 said:
Download 2025 surely a lock if they're smart bookers, to echo everyone else.
The thing I guess might be if Sleep Token decide whether to headline whilst still being lower on the bill elsewhere in Europe, or if they decide to focus on building those markets first and then come back for Download in 2026 when they could potentially headliner or sub other festivals too. They might also want to take the chance to 'get big' in the USA given how lucrative that would be. Wouldn't be surprised to see them do their own dates throughout next year, Europe then South America then a US summer tour (maybe co-headline with a band like Ghost?).
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1 hour ago, RedJosh said:
I never said you didn't like Ghost or Spiritbox, I just lumped them in with the generation of bands that people like to dig on in recent years.
I assumed you were in my generation early 30's, but if grunge was your thing, then you are probably slightly older than me and fair do's if they were your gateway. We all had gateway bands. I like all those older metal bands I listed myself except Megadeth, so this isn't coming from a place of I dislike classic or thrash metal either.
I don't think those bands doing well is a double edged sword though. We are all likely to get to a place where we don't get the plurality of new heavy music, but should just be happy that heavy music is thriving and that people are going to discover, listen to and get excited by the bands we love and enjoy.
I never said it wasn't ok not to like Sleep Token or other gateway bands and I don't think there is or should be reverse gatekeeping and I don't see it. Saying them becoming big is a double edged sword is what I would see as gatekeeping. I've seen loads of people say, 'I don't like X, but good luck to them it is great for the scene.' To me how you put it across comes across reads to me like, 'I have no problem with heavy music I don't like existing provided that they are kept away from rock nights and the outdoor stages of festivals I like.' There are loads of times I have been at fests and there has been acts I'm not interested in at Download or R+L, but I've given some the acts ago and focused in the stuff I will enjoy.
To me Download should be the place where I can go in a pit for Malevolence or Bleed From Within and softly headbang to Emperor or Godflesh, but also have a dance to Shkari or ILLENIUM before having a sing song to Ghost or My Chem. It should be a true alternative and heavy music fest and I get not everyone is going to be on board for it.
Time for me to go get ready to go see Shikari tonight.
I'm late 30's so not that much older than you.
It's not gatekeeping to say it's a double edged sword on a personal level, because I don't enjoy them. I wasn't saying what you claim I was. I meant it literally, that it puts me off going. Me, myself and I. That's all. I understand you misunderstood what I meant so no hard feelings. I welcome the new fans to the scene, though I so wish those with power in the scene would do more to promote a better variety of bands. Simple as that tbh.
Enjoy the gig!
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20 minutes ago, RedJosh said:
People said this about Linkin Park, Slipknot, Korn, Limp Bizkit, Blink, Sum 41 and Bowling for Soup in the late 90's/early 00's
Then people said it about Avenged Sevenfold, Trivium, Bring Me The Horizon, My Chemical Romance, Fall Out Boy and Paramore in the mid 00's.
These are the bands that are on at rock nights now and everyone knows the words to their big songs.
Give it 5-10 years and all the people throwing hate at Ghost, Sleep Token, Spiritbox, Bad Omens, etc. will be singing along to these songs in the Doghouse at Download or at rock nights along with the above.
We all had an introduction to metal through gateway bands. Yeah, gateway bands are generally the biggest bands in our scene, because for a lot of people they will be their heaviness limit. But these gateway bands are what allow the heavy/alt bands we like to continue to exist by sending people down the heavy music rabbit hole. There is already a very clear Sleep Token - Lorna Shore connection with lots of young people getting into Lorna Shore because of Sleep Token.
Unless their parents or an older sibling listened to it, no way does someone go from pop music to Emperor, Warning, Anaal Nakraath or Bathory, there are steps in between. Sleep Token, Spiritbox and Bad Omens are just the next generation. I'm sure you would happy listen to Linkin Park, Slipknot, Korn, Bizkit, Avenged and Trivium as I am sure they were a part of your musical awakening into heavy music along with the big bands of the generation before like Metallica, Maiden, Slayer, Megadeth, Pantera, etc.
And don't worry, I know you wouldn't have been influenced by that pop emo rubbish like Blink, The Offspring, Bring Me, Paramore, My Chemical Romance or Fall Out Boy.
I'm telling you know there are teens who will listen to Yungblud, who will then listen to Bring Me, who will go to Botch because Sam Carter sang on It Never Ends so they listen to Architects and then go to Dillenger and Norma Jean who end up at Botch. Just as there will be kips who give Bathory, Emperor, Darkthrone, etc. a listen because they saw Lee wearing a Bathory t-shirt in a picture of Bring Me.
You make a lot of incorrect assumptions about my music taste.
For the record I like Ghost and Spiritbox. I also like The Offspring. Blink-182 I got bored of but did listen to when I was younger. I never really got into Limp Bizkit, I don't like Trivium, and I dislike AX7. And yeah I did/do like those 'older' metal bands but grunge bands were actually a major gateway for me too, especially Nirvana and Foo Fighters.
I have no problem with Sleep Token or those other bands doing well. I'm simply saying from my own perspective I'm not keen on pop influenced metal so on a personal note it's a double edged sword.
There is this kind of reverse gatekeeping these days, where people are judged for not liking a band. It's actually ok me and the others who piped up in this thread not to like Sleep Token. None of us are saying they don't belong in the scene.
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15 minutes ago, foolee said:
Do you think they hype will be there with MCR now that most who would’ve wanted to see them has?
Yeah I think their fans are pretty dedicated and they deffo do stadium tours still. Depends on European market for them I guess.
Could be a Green Day situation as well, Download allegedly doesn't let them do their own dates so they go do IOW instead. I mean if a band can do it then one festival headline plus 3 stadium dates in pretty lucrative! In fact I'd say the whole Green Day European tour this year is probably a model for how MCR would do it if they chose to.
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8 hours ago, foolee said:
Yeah seems like a great time to push them up. Think it might be Sleep Token / SOAD, MCR or Blink-182 / Iron Maiden. The middle one depends on who will be touring and who wants to do it I think.
I doubt SOAD ever come back tbh. I'd like them too but if just feels like they are done in terms of any dates outside the US.
MCR I think can just do their own stadium dates and be done, like Rammstein.
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7 hours ago, LazyDavid said:
Who would have thought that accessible metal would be a hit with newer listeners to the genre! Can understand the "Bastillecore" hate etc "it's not metal blah blah blah" facts are they're leading the charge into a new age of heavier music becoming popular again. It can only introduce people to your more standardised metal which is surely a good thing all round
The 'its a good thing' argument works both ways though. On one hand yes it is a good thing thing that new people get into the scene. On the other it's leading to festivals, club nights etc being full of these poppy metalcore bands that I have no interest in, so I loose interest in going.
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5 hours ago, Xeph1995 said:
I hate the modern metal production style, all bands have it and it sounds sterile to me.
Because it's not a 'metal' production style, it's a pop one. And yeah I hate it too, but it's mostly the modern metalcore bands that have it plus Sleep Token obviously.
Some don't though, Spiritbox for example have much better vocal production which I think is why I like them but not say Bad Omens.
Thankfully for the other newer bands who don't have it either. Svalbard and Green Lung two example of great modern metal bands not going down the poppy vocals route.
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5 hours ago, Andre91 said:
Play them with some of the lowest amounts of passion ever.
I've seen a lot of people being critical of Sleep Token live too mind. And on track I personally find their music to be void of passion, the vocals just sound like indie pop to me and I hate all the pop elements to the music too.
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1 hour ago, FrogLobster said:
The chances of SOAD again are dwindling. Serj has gone on record saying he hates touring and can't do long flights often due to health issues, drummer said publicly they have wasted time with Serj fronting the band for all these years, they aren't getting any younger, etc
Id kill for one last Europe show from them to see these songs live one more time but I doubt they have it in them unless its retirement money for Serj; which they would probably get more of at their own headliner.
It's not really all Serj's fault though, the drummer John (who is also is brother in law) has all these right wing pro-Trump views and cries like a baby whenever they are challenged, so that's hardly conducive to a functional band.
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I think Sleep Token sub in 2025. Maybe Ghost and Gojira sub too. Given Download's past track record.
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1 hour ago, Rusty Spoon said:
It's unsurprising that they'd accept slots at Download and Slam Dunk. Since their reunion there's been a few interviews where they've alluded to how much it hurt them personally the abuse and shunning they got from the pop-punk community when they were first around as they viewed themselves in the blink-182 space. They were delighted when Charlie got the cover on Kerrang! with Fightstar as that was apparently their dream. Very easy to forget how young they were when they first broke out.
Their reunion has gone down a treat and Busted in a tent will go down a storm. Even in a 'traditional' Download year, they'd pack a tent and have everyone singing along nowadays.
Alot of my generation (late 30s) are actually shocked at Busted playing as when we were younger they were considered a full on pop band and marketed as so. It's mainly the 20 something's (and maybe a few early 30s) who call them pop punk, from what I've observed. I'm sure the tent will be rammed when they play, but you can see from the backlash Download have annoyed alot of the 30+ crowd by booking them. The whole fest this year seems tailored towards those in their 20s and the emo side of the early 30s tbh with some token bands thrown in for the older crowd, one of which is the controversial Pantera thing as debated above.
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2 hours ago, zahidf said:
Download really are twats for booking white supremacist Phil with Pantera. And racist scum Slaughter to Prevail
I'm certainly disappointed both got booked. It's partly why I'm so annoyed at Download this year, those are 2 of the bands being presented as 'appeasing the metal crowd' and they are obvs both problematic. Gutted I'll miss Machine Head though.
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52 minutes ago, LMP said:
Hotel in Derby booked. Not every day you get to see QOTSA headline Download, I’m sure it’ll be worth it!
Though judging from what I’ve seen elsewhere, I might be the only one in the field watching them. Lots of people going to Busted instead 😐
They probably won't clash. Download normally finishes the rest of the bands before the main stage headliners these days.
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10 minutes ago, Andre91 said:
Black Stone Cherry, Mr Bungle, The Struts, Those Damn Crows, Biohazard, The Offspring, Enter Shikari, Babymetal, Pantera, While She Sleeps, Tom Morello, Fear Factory, Asinhell, Dying Fetus, Avenged Sevenfold, Limp Bizkit, Machine Head, Corey Taylor, The Black Dahlia Murder. I’d chuck QOTSA in there too.
Those are all bands who would appeal to your more ‘traditional’ Download audience and loads who have played the fest before in the past.
I mean only half of that list are actually bands that appeal to the traditional metal crowd. I get it, you and lots of others like it, doesn't mean I or others have to.
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35 minutes ago, FloopFiller said:
Busted at Download is something I thought I’d never see but I’m very down for it - this years lineup is the first signs of Download moving in a direction it desperately needed to move in to survive. Whether they’ll continue this progress after this year or whether the Download audience in general will be in to it/it’ll sell well remains to be seen, but that’s one of the freshest Download lineups I’ve seen in a while and they’ve only had to change up a few acts.
They are moving on by chasing the pop-punk and modern metalcore crowd. Metal crowd will be smaller this year, I'm not the only one staying home. Download's choice of course but if they continue with this path they shouldn't be shocked if another fest launches Sonisphere style to cater to crowd they are moving away from.
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It's 25K which is more than the O2 (which is 20k) and Downloads headliners logic is should be able to sell 2 nights at O2....Korn also doing smaller venues sure but point is they still pull in the fans and could deffo headline.
I'm not really a fan of Limp Bizkit but I would argue they should be headlining over AX7 and I wouldn't be surprised if they got a bigger crowd. Korn got a bigger crowd than Biffy in 2022.