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Posting as I think this is a fucking important topic. Whether at a festival, Glastonbury, or anywhere, misogyny should be challenged. Thankfully it is generally in short supply at Glastonbury. I was at a wedding tonight and while stood with 2 women I overheard the groom (forces) say “you’re not a man until you’ve banged a woman out - they teach you that in basic”. This was in the context of giving his friend advice about his ‘crazy’ girlfriend. The women I was with were visibly appalled but also visibly cowed and said nothing. They just wanted to leave. I challenged it by saying “I don’t agree with that and you shouldn’t say it.” Of a group of 6-7 men one said they agreed with me, the rest restated it. The women I was with left and took me with them. I decided to go back and challenge it again. I was told it was banter. They didn’t mean it. Maybe they didn’t, but someone heard it and it was justification for their own violence against women. Some people heard it and were scared by it. Some people may have heard or and now think that’s an acceptable thing to joke about. Hopefully my interjection means some people heard it and will reflect that violence against women, or violence of any kind, isn’t acceptable. We all need to tackle this sort of misogynistic bullshit. The women I was with shouldn’t have felt cowed. They shouldn’t have been grateful that I, a white man, acted as their white knight. Sadly it is only through men challenging men that we will probably see progress. Challenge misogyny everywhere. 💪🏻19 points
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Sheeran's last Wembley date is 1st July too. The nation's Mums will be descending on the capital en masse. This is gonna be worse than the Euro 2020 final.5 points
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@Ken19 doesn't have to share his information with us, just because he's been rightfully critical of some of the festivals practices and behaviours doesn't mean he's going to troll.3 points
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On the military stuff, yes its a toxic environment, you're bombarded with this kind of behaviour from week 1 day 1, at an age where you're impressionable and not in a position to question. However, from my experience, I joined knowing right from wrong and how to treat all people. I did witness unbelievable attitudes throughout my career, often from individuals in a position of rank and authority. That said, I always challenged where I felt I was able to. I have long since left and worked in civvy Street for the past 14 years, I still come across the same society prejudices, living in deepest darkest devon doesn't help, a primarily older white demographic (my dads 'opinions' are a casing point - I don't like him much). The phrase 'banged a woman out' implies that a person has hit and knocked out a woman, tough guy words eh. In case you're wondering, I served Royal Navy 82 - 07, I like to think it didn't turn me into an institutionalised arsehole as I know right from wrong.3 points
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This thread, fucking Hell. Yeah, a few hundred thousand could have died but fuck 'em, I had to stay in for a bit.3 points
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Bravo @blutarsky I have been dwelling on this kind of thing recently, and not just misogyny as displayed here, but racism, homophobia, transphobia, the lot. What it comes down to, I think, is this. we live in a misogynistic (or racist, or homophobic etc) culture. The very fabric of our society is inherently biased against whole groups of people. We all participate in this culture, and I think we need to ask ourselves "what is my contribution to this culture?" Is turning a blind eye to misogyny or racism going to improve the culture, or is it re-enforcing it. I 100% believe the latter. I have been involved in similar disagreements with people I know (erm... friends I guess) and one of the responses I get is "I'm not a racist," or "____ is not a misogynist". As soon as you call out the behaviour, people become incredibly defensive. But I take pains to never label a person as a misogynist - I just label the behaviour as misogynist. And furthermore, quite a lot of racist / misogynist behaviour comes from a benign place - the perpetrator doesn't hold ill will to the minority, but they have been so conditioned by the culture that they don't realise they are re-enforcing this culture. It will be the small stuff like "what's wrong with saying 'White Lives Matter' - I'm not even talking about black people." or just using "gay" as a pejorative. And then you get white people defining what racism is, men defining misogyny, straight people defining homophobia. I get that this comes from a defensive place but it needs to be called out. And us white, male, straight people need to listen to minorities when they tell us their experience. We need to listen and understand our place in the culture we share, and understand how our actions shape it. That became a bit of a rant, didn't it...? As an aside I'm happy to say I've never heard the phrase "banged a woman out" before. I'm not really sure what it means, but the context speaks volumes. Gross.2 points
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I've heard the Coldplay mums are coming down too, it's going to get proper moody. Just stay the fuck away from John Lewis on Oxford St that weekend.2 points
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Just try and book a bottomless brunch in town over that weekend...2 points
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John Peel Tent & The Park Hot Chip 499 Jazz World / West Holts Chic ft. NiIe Rodgers 327 Justice 677 (+11)2 points
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Thank you everyone! You have definitely eased some anxiety and I look forward to hanging about here2 points
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well, maybe you should go also jeff because you couldn’t see driving home the other night because you dont even wear your glasses on tv in case you get slagged off so you stick to specsavers and i’ll do the game2 points
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This board is weighted almost exclusively towards posters in Europe and, to be frank, festivals like Essense and Lilith Fair and Pitchfork have no impact here culturally, media-wise or otherwise. Plenty of us are POC and female and queer so maybe dial it down a bit accusing us of "not caring". It's amazing that those festivals have done it for the States and nobody was disputing that but none of them are anything like the size or European standing of something like Glastonbury. Having an all-female headline trio would be monumental in terms of the festival circuit here and showing other events that it's possible nowadays.2 points
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If you’ve never been to fabric before I am jealous for you. It’s my favourite club and I wish I could experience it as a newbie again. Security can be tight but my advice would be to respect the fact the club has been under tight scrutiny in the past few years and almost got taken away for us completely. Keep things where no one can find them and the downstairs cubicles with the locks are your best friend.1 point
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Why do you always immediately back track after stuff like this. You clearly called him out and implied he was a misogynist and now you’re trying to say you weren’t trying to single him out. At least own it fs1 point
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Performing twice a week in a controlled environment is much easier than moving stadium to stadium. Vegas would be a contract with a set amount of shows for a certain price. Lets say 50 million for 20 performances. They all dont have to be in succession anyway. Lady Gaga just did hers in separate blocks. 3 weekends then a break, another 3 weekends then a break and so on and so forth. And you guarantee yourself the money compared to a regular tour where you potentially might not sell out every date. That is not to say Adele would not sell out her tour, but even the largest acts arent impervious to that. So lets say in theory Adele had some Vegas dates in February, May, August and November. You just fill in the rest of the time within reason so the performances stay top notch. And scarcity is also a good thing. Less dates means people will be more prone to buying a ticket cause you dont know when or if she is coming back.1 point
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Yup. Can't speak for @blutarsky as I'm a few years ahead, but I look back at the culture around my rugby days (particularly at uni) and I pretty much cringe myself inside out. There was never any direct nastiness, intimidation or deliberately unwelcome behaviour (in fact those who were out of line tended to get a bit of a "decorum chat") but the general vibe was, in hindsight, not good. Even with the "we're not being mean, it's just a joke" glasses on, a big group of large lads singing about the stuff we sang about is fucking grim. Really couldn't be part of it now, and deliberately avoid the big group stuff. Even if it's not misogyny, I'm hugely conscious of being a big group of very loud, very boisterous, very LARGE men and fucking up everyone else's evenings by extension. Can't change what I was doing then, but I can be better now.1 point
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Case for Plan B continues to melt away1 point
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Fabric birthday was good fun but not as strong as previous years. Craig Richards was a bit boring, was quite underwhelmed with his set. Sonja was very good but Ricardo turned up 35 minutes early and kicked her off. Was a bit surprised at that! Ricardo seemed very much on form and played very well. More of a all killer no filler set from him.. he usually spends some time dicking about but he got straight into this time. Played some dance floor classics. He also mixed in this beautiful funky / deep disco track with a beautiful melody. Really nice moment, would love to know a) how he mixed it in as it definitely had no 4/4 beat and b) what on earth the song was. Some set highlights.1 point
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You see that's the weird thing when it comes to the 'shouting'......Idles do nothing for me but your man from FDC does. But why...who knows.1 point
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BST always varies it’s capacities each year. between the 49k and 65k shows. This year it’s 9 shows. For sure.1 point
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Not sure how much choice she had if the big stadia were already filled booked. More likely is that BST threw a massive wad of cash at her.1 point
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Stromae is amazing live. I watched him in 2014 as well and it was a huge party I'd watch/listen to this if you don't know him:1 point
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The Wannadies 2022 UK tour! Newcastle 20/10 Sheffield 22/10 Hull 23/10 Manchester 25/10 Leeds 26/10 Birmingham 28/10 Bristol 30/10 Portsmouth 31/10 Brighton 1/11 London 3/111 point
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2023 we're destined for a run of BRM > Bon Iver > The National > Taylor Swift on the Pyramid.1 point
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Absolutely the culture that leads to things like brutal murders and horrific rapes is started by small things and having nobody say they are wrong when they are challenged. I say this to people all the time it's not enough to disagree but say nothing because it doesn't really affect you because that's what enables this shit. It's time to call out the small acts of misogyny and start dismantling this culture for future generations.1 point
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Hey its that thing I said would happen https://www.adele.com/HydePark/1 point
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Posting here as the quoted post is eFest’s most recent instant of the word “misogyny” being used. I was at a wedding tonight and while stood with 2 women I overheard the groom (forces) say “you’re not a man until you’ve banged a woman out - they reach you that in basic”. The women I was with were visibly appalled but also visibly cowed and said nothing. They just wanted to leave. I challenged it by saying “I don’t agree with that. Of a group of 6-7 men one said they agreed with me, the rest restated it. The women I was with left and took me with them. I decided to go back and challenge it again. I was told it was banter. They didn’t mean it. Maybe they didn’t, but someone heard it and it was justification for their own violence against women. Some people heard it and were scared by it. Some people may have heard or and now think that’s an acceptable thing to joke about. Hopefully my interjection means some people heard it and will reflect that violence against women, or violence of any kind, isn’t acceptable. We all need to tackle this sort of misogynistic bullshit. The women I was with shouldn’t have felt cowed. They shouldn’t have been grateful that I, a white man, acted as their white knight. Sadly it is only through men challenging men that we will probably see progress. Challenge misogyny everywhere. 💪🏻1 point
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this is what we have so far : (but of course, mores' about to come, thats not enough lol)1 point
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Whilst I think Imagine Dragons will be there (I’m sure Ken mentioned a few pages back that we’ll possibly not avoid them) the idea of them being a headliner at Werchter in a year when (potentially) Springsteen, McCartney, Gorillaz, Nick Cave, Green Day, Iron Maiden, Guns N Roses, The Killers, The Strokes, Muse, Foos and a whole lot more are floating around would be beyond underwhelming1 point
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Has nothing to do with Glastonbury going ahead next June. There are literally full stadiums and arenas right now, also look at this summer. By late summer every fest happened. Your view is ludicrously pessimistic1 point
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Bit tired of Boutique or TW Classic or Coldplay delaying the RW announcements. It's taking too long.1 point
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Ashley is gone, Bruce has gone. Why on earth are the Newcastle fans still moaning?1 point
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You are @hfuhruhurr and I claim my ten pounds. Either that or shameless plagiarism to get a reaction.1 point
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Come on Rock Werchter start giving us some names for God's sake. I want the Friday excitement back.1 point