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#1 Johnny Echo Echo

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 05:35 PM

Thats it!

After five years on the trot, you won`t see me at Guilfest again.

This year was a fxxking joke.

From the toilets (what bloody toilets???) to the so called "diverse" line-up (that`ll be the SKA weekender then), the speaker collapses, the random line-up changes and delays to the absolute tosser new security company bloke that told me off for taking photos from the audience of the Icicle Works because "people have paid a lot of money to use the photographer`s pit and you`re not allowed to take photos using a big camera like that from the audience" (the big camera is a £100 compact actually from Argos)

It was the icing on the cake as I laughed in the little scamp`s face and the audience around me told him to go forth and multiply!

I have never felt so unwelcome at a festival, felt so ripped off or wanted to smack a security guard before (ever!), ...so next year I shall follow the lead of UNCUT magazine (who used to sponser the second stage before Guilfest upped the fee) and bugger off to their own Latitude festival instead.

Guilfest, as they say on CBBC`s "Best of Friends" - you SUCK! :D

#2 Peridot

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 07:56 PM

Having just got back from my worst festival experience ever, I am not in the right state of mind to reply reasonably to the posters who are offering excuses and explanations for the inexcusable shambles that was Guilfest 2007 :D


So I'll just say 'here here' to this one.

#3 5co77ie

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Posted 16 July 2007 - 09:39 PM

Just out of interest is it the festival or the campsite that has you narked? I only ask cos in my experience a bad campsite puts me off more than the festie - ie lack of sleep. Last year we had the neighbours from hell - this year much better - and thus a better experience.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:50 AM

View Post5co77ie, on Jul 16 2007, 10:39 PM, said:

Just out of interest is it the festival or the campsite that has you narked? I only ask cos in my experience a bad campsite puts me off more than the festie - ie lack of sleep. Last year we had the neighbours from hell - this year much better - and thus a better experience.

Bit of both really.

Think we had your last year's neighbours near us this year. I can put the earplugs in and sleep through almost anything but some kids in other tents around us were getting quite upset. What did worry me though was the fact that there was no security presence at night to regulate unacceptable behaviour. I was also less than impressed by the site security arrangements. Walking around the outside on Saturday morning the fence had been breached in a number of areas (not exactly difficult). Whoever the intruders were, they didn't bother us but that was through luck than competent organisation.

Why do Guilfest keep saying that there is a separate quieter family camping area? I assume it gives them some kudos with the authorities that they need to deal with in arranging the festival. The fact is that there is no separate area. I know there were particular problems this year but it's clear from posters on this and other forums that previous years were really no different. And sticking a few kiddy friendly activities and rip-off amusements off in a corner of the site does not make for the 'Best Family Festival'. Practical things like tables and benches around the food outlets might help though.

I think toilets have been covered on other threads - having raw effluent flooding over the site and the main entrance area is not acceptable under any circumstances.

Probably what irked me most was the rules (or lack of them), the lack of communication, and the 'it's not our fault' attitude of the organisers, when questioned about anything. No glass allowed (and someone mentioned that in a previous year they were even prevented from having a camping lantern with a glass shade). The campsite was awash with glass bottles and I saw quite a few in the arena too. I've witnessed what can happen when some moron finds an empty bottle and decides to lob it into the crowd. It's a necessary restriction - enforce it.

Signs everywhere telling us that only four cans of beer per person are allowed in and people marching by with a case on each shoulder. I've no problem with how much beer anyone wants to consume (provided they can handle it), but why go to the bother of producing posters advertising rules that don't actually apply? Better to use the space to advertise last minute changes of line-up and timings. Why do I have to walk all the way down to the Funky End to find the act I wanted to see had actually played an hour earlier than advertised and I'd missed them?

However I understand that the campsite problems were caused by people turning up on Thursday to a festival that was advertised as opening on errm ... Thursday, and the fact that the council inspectors would not allow the main site to open (because it was unfit for habitation!). It was also the council's fault that the the water supply was inadequate. It was the toilet provider's fault that these facilities were defective etc. etc. etc...

What is it that the organisers of this event actually do then :D

I could go on but I'm beginning to bore myself too :) . There was a good atmosphere, I saw some great music, the weather was brilliant and I and my friends made it through without any serious problems. However there are numerous festies around now and others I have been too are much better organised and run then Guilfest was this year. There is no incentive for me to give it another chance, I'll just knock it off the agenda for next year and go somewhere else instead.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 08:50 AM

I decided to not go this year because I diddnt enjoy it last year and so decided to put a different festival on my list for this year to replace it. At the last minute I really wished that we were going cos i liked the look of the line up this year a bit more compared to last year (just my personal thing)

Anyhow although I diddnt enjoy it last year for a few reasons it wasnt enough to ever put me off going again - Im sure one year we will be back - what im saying is things change and hopefully for the better - put a complaint in in writing about the toilets if they really upset you and they will take notice - cos its a shame not to go to a festival just because of the toilets. I always expect the worse when i go to a festival toilet and go equipped with tissue/anti bac etc and a bucket for the tent if camping with little ones ( I even bought those travel johns for my daughter for incase there was ever a long queue for the loos and she was desperate )

Bad to hear about the fight in the crowd though - not very Guilfest at all!

#6 Johnny Echo Echo

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 02:16 PM

Sorry Sco77ie, it has nothing to do with the campsite (my decision not to return to guilfest), as I mentioned it was what happened throughout the site and Peridots comments on a few things I forgot too, like the four can rule (why not make it four cans of lager in blue cans only? - its just as stupid either way!) and the glass bottles on site. The security checked no-ones bag as I walked through, I myself carried a bag through at least twenty times without a second glance) i`m telling you the place is full of excuses - the council let us down etc, but who employed them? ...with our bloody ticket money? ... stop passing the damn buck and put your hands up Guilfest!! I feel I`ve been put through a mincer this weekend and the organisers won`t see my money again. I used to recommend this festival and even got a few friends to come along in past years - they won`t be back either.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 05:17 PM

Well I enjoyed it, but it was my 7th Guilfest/Guildford live and easily the worst: the sunday obsession with Ska, the appaling state of the toilets, the lack of the little things that make Guilfest fun, the fairly poor line-up in the comedy tent on saturday (made worse by the fact that for the first time they were actually enforcing the 'no swearing/rude stuff' rule for the comics). Again, it wasn't *bad* but it was the worst it's been in 7 years.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:00 PM

View PostDeanoL, on Jul 17 2007, 06:17 PM, said:

the fairly poor line-up in the comedy tent on saturday (made worse by the fact that for the first time they were actually enforcing the 'no swearing/rude stuff' rule for the comics).
while I can't tell you they were good if you thought they weren't, I can tell you about the 'no swearing' thing .... now that there's late night comedy after the bands are finished, the daytime stuff is classed as family friendly, and the late stuff is classed as 'adult'.

For a festival with so many kids attending, this is fair enough - after all, some parents don't like their kids to hear that sort of stuff, and by splitting it in this way then everyone's tastes can be happily accommodated.

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 06:07 PM

Fair enough Neil - but I wasn`t laughing! :D

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Posted 17 July 2007 - 10:20 PM

View PostDeanoL, on Jul 17 2007, 06:17 PM, said:

... made worse by the fact that for the first time they were actually enforcing the 'no swearing/rude stuff' rule for the comics ...

Didn't actually get to see anything in the comedy tent but as I was walking past on Sunday afternoon there was plenty of swearing issuing forth.

This is as I would expect it to be and it was nothing my little one hasn't heard from me or the missus before, but yet again another 'rule' that really isn't.

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Posted 18 July 2007 - 03:42 AM

View PostNeil, on Jul 17 2007, 07:00 PM, said:

while I can't tell you they were good if you thought they weren't, I can tell you about the 'no swearing' thing .... now that there's late night comedy after the bands are finished, the daytime stuff is classed as family friendly, and the late stuff is classed as 'adult'.

For a festival with so many kids attending, this is fair enough - after all, some parents don't like their kids to hear that sort of stuff, and by splitting it in this way then everyone's tastes can be happily accommodated.

Well in the past it's been a guideline that's gone mostly ignored, but from the noises the comics were making it seemed that ignoring was likely to end up with them not getting paid. It also seemed apparent that a lot of the comics weren't aware that they had to 'keep things clean' until the day of the gig and well... you can't really do that. It's not how it works: the vast majority of comics will work off a script (even if it's just a mental one) while trying to give the impression they're not. You ask them to then edit this on the fly and it can all go quite wrong. John Mann (saturday's compere) was probably the best example of this. I thought he was atrocious during the day, but seemed a lot better in what I saw of him in the later show. But it really comes down to the simple fact that if you want a family-friendly comedy show you need to be booking family-friendly comics. There's plenty out there, some even specialise in kids shows, but it really seemed that either Cosmic didn't take this into account when booking the shows, or Guilfest management didn't mention this rule until it was too late.

It's also horribly unfair in my opinion: we're the bands on every other stage instructed to censor thier lyrics if they were on before 9pm?
It was also ridiculously arbitrary. I'm not a parent, but if was I think I'd be more comfortable having my kids hear a few swears than seeing a man spend 5 minutes putting lit cigarettes into his mouth (cool trick though!).

I guess it's just a matter of my love for comedy as an art form, but it really is all about timing and construction, making sure that every word is in the right place and the rythmn is just right to make the joke work: you can't just arbitrarily cut and change words to suit a different audience and expect it to still work. I know some of the acts on on the saturday are damn good comics, and I know they could have been a lot better without such restrictions. If the festival wants clean, kid-friendly comedy, they need to be planning that 3 months in advance when they book the acts, not 3 minutes before the acts go on stage.

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Posted 19 August 2007 - 10:55 PM

glad i gave guilfest a miss this year by the feed back on here,it used to be great vib ,class acts weller,pogues,qou,saw doctors,water boys,blondey,space ritual,seem to go down hill when they lost the chill out tent,we go to the smaller festys now much more laid back less twats to,

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Posted 09 February 2008 - 12:30 PM

I gave Guilfest a miss in 2007 and i must say judging from the feedback, I am glad i did.

We have been going since 1998 and in 2006 we felt the festival had completely lost its friendly family feeling vibe.

Security are disinterested and positivley unfriendly.

Camping is cramped, toilets bad.

Cant get any where near the front of the stage too many people crammed in (day people with their cool boxes blankets and chairs who camp out for the day and give you bad looks and abuse if you step on their blanket as you try and squeeze by!!)

Definately looking for the smaller festies with the traditional laid back friendly vibe.

R.I.P. Guilfest

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 11:30 AM

I have to say I didn't get the same experience in 2006 as I had in 2005 either. Didn't go last year as i live abroad, but things being well I may go this year, but I did notice in 2007 there were a hell of a lot of unsigned bands performing, even in the Rock Tent. Guilfest will have to get it's format right if they are going to maintain the festival in future years.

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Posted 10 February 2008 - 01:20 PM

Went for 6 years but in 2006 the atmosphere was different,lots of chavs/open drug dealing--the quality of bands[unsigned and unheard of] in the smaller tents was poor/beer prices high/dance tent just repetitive generic dance music with a gathering of unsavoury types/to many picnic blankets&chairs---went to Latitude/greenman/solfest/end of the road instead all with better atmospheres/music/cheaper tastier beer/better dance tents.I hope Guilfest gets its act together because it still has a soft spot in my heart after 6 years and getting me back to festivals again after a long break but there is a lot more competition out there now.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:15 AM

I switched to Latitude last year simply because the quality of the line up dipped alarmingly for the second year in a row. So fortunately I missed last years debarcle.

What i find amusing is some years ago there was a silly little one day festival in a park in Reigate headlined by Voulez Vous.....Guilfest made comments in the local press when it was announced (just before guilfest took place if I recall) saying ....Come to a real festival....type stuff......and stated that you'd never see tribute acts at GuilFest........ now you have one headlining!!!!!! And i suspect the "From the Jam" twollocks will be the main draw.

Got into a bit of an argument with Neil recently about this so I've checked up on my facts......I know 23 people who went to Guilfest last year (not including kids etc) and not one of them enjoyed last year. That is NONE. what i didn't realise is that seven of them left early....a couple of them quite early on the Saturday.

This is such a shame....I used to really love this festival.....this festival got me into festivals!!!! But the booking the last couple of years has got so tired they really should either give it up or get someone in to do it for them.

So, I'm not going to say never because I would be so made up if they did sort it out, but I wont be back this year. The worrying thing is I live 12 miles away, I'm music obsessed, I hang around with other music-obsessives, but I don't know a single person who is intending to go to Guilfest this year - as i say 23 last year, it must've been well over 50 in 2005. And tired old blondie and a covers band are not going to change anyones mind.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:34 AM

all that says more about your friends than it does about Guilfest. :P

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:48 AM

oh really!!!!!

So i should find friends who like dragging five year olds through massive puddles of shit should i??????

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:52 AM

I was expecting last year to be my last one - not because I didn't enjoy it, more because every year I expect it to be the last one they do!

Pleasantly surprised there's one for 2008 though, and I'll definitely be around for it (in body, not necessarily in mind). Have to admit I'm underwhelmed by today's announcement, it's a bit too heavy on nostalgia acts and reformed bands for me, but hopefully there'll be some good stuff somewhere else on the bill.

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Posted 27 March 2008 - 09:56 AM

the age range goes from 18 to fifty something.

We have lifelong status quo fans as well as goths and tragically emo addicted thirty somethings.

8 couples and 7 singles

18 kids between them off the top of my head.

I've been to 8 guilfests......no knowing how many they've been to between them but I'm guessing it would top 50.

Several have been/are in bands.

A whole bunch of them still regularly go to the Cambridge Folk festival - one's played several times.

Personally I'd've thought these were exactly the type of people guilfest would want rather than the sort of pumped up chav you're beginning to sound like





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