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4 hours ago, Hugh Jass said:

It isn't just a music festival though.

I was well impressed with the food outlets and the extensive range ... A star for that 

Not sure why Blackhole gave me a down vote .. obviously aren't foodies 

 

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5 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

just caught up and Kalifire has got it spot on.  No excuse for this at all and if those who are involved in the LGBT community agree with this door policy you should be ashamed

Insisting on such behaviour is tantamount to assault and I'm surprised someone didn't end up with black eye , the excuses given " it was how it was " is lame at best 

I don't think anyone was insisting. The offer was there. Some took up the offer. Some declined. Some didn't even get the offer.

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15 minutes ago, battleborn said:

But Glasto isn't a fetish club, it's a music festival. Keep this stuff to the seedy underbelly of the world. 

I hardly think conseunsual sex between two adults is seedy. Grow up.

And no, Glastonbury isn't just a 'music festival'. Far from it.

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31 minutes ago, serendipitous said:

But you're the one who seems to think that by keeping niche sexual traditions alive you're reducing yourself to being only those traditions. My boyfriend and I visit dark rooms, we also have a wide range of other interests. The only people reducing us to cartoons are those who seem intent on decrying this awful sexual deviancy.

I'm genuinely lost as to what "fallout" you're having to deal with? I'm also lost as to why you seem to think LGBT people should temper their sexuality to avoid this fallout? If straight people can't deal with a bit of fucking in a corner they shouldn't enter a queer space where it might be going on.

What I think really doesn't matter, it's what I hear back from others and the prejudices and expectations I hear about my (and other's) sexuality based on what they see and hear and the image projected of what makes up gay culture. To me being gay is just about who I fancy and am attracted to - these niche traditions are as much a central part of being gay as dogging and fetish clubs are of being straight. Just a fraction, not the main show and I'm pretty tired of having to explain that

Fallout from both people's prejudices, based upon what they hear and see is insisted upon as being a core part of gay culture, and from those it chews up and spits out - check out the mental health situation in the gay community, and all the services supporting those trying to get out of the chemsex mess and other traps.

There are reasons straight society dropped this kinda thing, we're just talking a lot longer to learn IMHO

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20 minutes ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

I don't think anyone was insisting. The offer was there. Some took up the offer. Some declined. Some didn't even get the offer.

Exactly. I was flattered to be asked tbh. I wasn't made to be felt uncomfortable or coerced. As with most situations, if you approach it with a sense of humour and respect, you can't go much wrong.

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5 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

I was well impressed with the food outlets and the extensive range ... A star for that 

Not sure why Blackhole gave me a down vote .. obviously aren't foodies 

 

I downvoted you because I think you're being ridiculous in this thread and in the tory one, your posts read like Daily Mail headlines and it made me feel better when I did it

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8 hours ago, Tartan_Glasto said:

I don't think anyone was insisting. The offer was there. Some took up the offer. Some declined. Some didn't even get the offer.

My two mates and I got it. Didn't get grabbed or anything, just 'cocks out and you're in for free' from the door tranny.   We're all straight as a die, and the girl who we were with had a great laugh at us - 'I've never seen trousers dropped quicker than that!' :lol:

Had a brilliant time there. Didn't even realise there was a dark room, would have gone in for a sniff around if we had known. We're there any glory holes? 

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2 hours ago, BlackHole2006 said:

I downvoted you because I think you're being ridiculous in this thread and in the tory one, your posts read like Daily Mail headlines and it made me feel better when I did it

Seems totally fair *thumbs up*

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On 09/07/2017 at 6:34 PM, babyblade41 said:

Another time I'll need my tin hat but really?... why should a LGBT corner be exempt from common decency.. couldn't  they with until they get back to their tent ??

If that happened in some where else their would be public outrage , we are not animals where surroundings don't matter 

 

11 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

you live such a sheltered life my love.. :rofl:

*cough*

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2 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

you live such a sheltered life my love.. :rofl:

You've just spent nine pages of a thread moaning about the morality of some men shagging in the back of a LGBT-friendly, openly adult-only, venue at the back corner of a massive festival in the west of England that you did not know about until now. You introduced hypothetical children as a reason for why it should stop. You decided your ticket should be cheaper because you're not interested in using that room. Then decided you must be right because you're old. You presume that there is no pluralism in the gay life, that your boundaries are the only boundaries, and that everyone is like the four same-sex people you watched get married.

You don't even know why you disagree with it. At least other (gay) posters have spoken about their concerns - misplaced or not - of the fallout of chemsex etc. but you just seem to think it's a filthy little thing and must stop because you say so. If the festival only catered for "foodies" (fucking lol) and people who liked guitars it wouldn't be worth the effort, and you'd likely be at Reading having a good time with plenty of other people who only care about themselves and have no imagination.

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Mostly yes... but the festival was very lovely before the SE corner took off, and very much worth the effort still and was still full of imagination, caring and madness.

It would be sad if having this was considered the good/bad dividing line. I remember having this discussion many years ago when some people wanted a gay field - the idea that surely the joy was that here was a place you didn't need a separate space and you could feel properly equal for some reason didn't wash

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2 minutes ago, frostypaw said:

Mostly yes... but the festival was very lovely before the SE corner took off, and very much worth the effort still and was still full of imagination, caring and madness.

It would be sad if having this was considered the good/bad dividing line. I remember having this discussion many years ago when some people wanted a gay field - the idea that surely the joy was that here was a place you didn't need a separate space and you could feel properly equal for some reason didn't wash

Things change and how we consume culture and give life to it should always be fluid. I'm not on board with your view because I see it as a synonymous with the concerted effort to homogenise the LGBTQI+ community - and especially gay men, because I think this is what catches in the craw of a patriarchal heterosexual society most. The use of Pride to sell everything from Skittles to Levis this year was shameful. The commerce is coming through louder than the politics. This, at the very least, is a kick back against the cuddly expectation set out by straight people for LGBTQI+ people. That said, at least you're making a relatively cogent point drawn from experience.

The imagination, caring and madness came from the fringe. Travellers, hippies, punks. Almost anything culturally worthwhile comes from people that have been discriminated against or operate on the edge of society. House, drag, disco and so much more wouldn't be here without gay spaces as a result of brutality and hate. In NYCD that is honoured and remembered. No one is saying you have to comfortable in dark rooms - that is down to the individual - but there's a very good reason they exist and should continue to do so.

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38 minutes ago, morethanaphelan said:

In NYCD that is honoured and remembered.

It's really not. Where are there any displays or information about that inside it? It's just a party - which is fine, but let's not overdress it. 

Before I sound completely contrary I totally agree how Pride has been commercialised but that in no way has anything to do with this. There once was a very good reason for these hidden away places to exist but that time has past. If I'd heard about it, seen it advertised as it is and been in and discovered it was actually a memorial to Stonewall and all those who've given their lives and freedom to this cause I would have been over the moon tbh. That's a story that needs telling and it would have been a great environment for it. 

It's certainly no kick back whatsoever if you imagine it is - it's a huge play to the assumptions that I've spent my life fighting against. This is exactly what the prejudiced folk I've worked with have expected of us, and exactly the sort of comedy side-show stuff that I've been expected to talk about as a gay man. I believe we are all equal - we are fairly homogenic - and I long for the day I can just be treated like that and not be expected to live up to the stereotype

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