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3 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

I'm speaking generally , I accept it's roots are based to the left but it seems to have evolved into a great music , beer and food festival.

If it became so moderate would you cease to attend or would you go with the flow `?

It hasn't "evolved" away from being a left wing festival. As if straying away from left wing values are a sign of evolution :lol:

Its appeal has broadened, but it's far from just a music, booze and food festival. There are scores and scores of apolitical music, beer and food festivals in this country. Glastonbury is not one of them.

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5 minutes ago, arcade fireman said:

It hasn't "evolved" away from being a left wing festival. As if straying away from left wing values are a sign of evolution :lol:

Its appeal has broadened, but it's far from just a music, booze and food festival. There are scores and scores of apolitical music, beer and food festivals in this country. Glastonbury is not one of them.

I just didn't see it, but then I wasn't looking 

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I'm a Tory but accepted long ago that Glasto always has and always will be a left leaning festival which doesn't bother me in the slightest.  I am always open to new ideas and ways of thinking so i do seek out some of the political side to broaden my understanding. I didn't get any stick for my opinions and had a few chats and debates over various issues which is part of leaning more for me.

Away from the festival though i have been verbally and physically abused because of who i vote for.  The thing that annoys me most (again I didn't get this at the festival) is the sweeping assumptions that people make.  I've been called a c**t more time than i can remember by people who barely or don't know me at all based on the fact i vote differently to them.  

 

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2 minutes ago, watsonjm said:

I've been called a c**t more time than i can remember by people who barely or don't know me at all based on the fact i vote differently to them.  

In all fairness those people might have lost incredible amounts due to how you voted, why not ask them why they're so upset? The answers might widen your source of information and experience on which to vote and you can choose whether to carry on or not

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I'm not understanding how you didn't see anything political. the leader of the Labour party gave a speech on the Pyramid stage shoulder to shoulder with the founder of the festival. I think that's about as 'in your face' political as it could possibly get.

Also it seems you are reading left wing as Labour. Labour are left wing but there are socialists, greens, feminists, communists, anti-capitialists a whole host of political and belief systems that are under the left wing umbrella. What it is against is right wing but again that is not just Tory, it includes BNP, UKIP, NF, Britain First etc.

It isn't as simple as Labour v Tory, it's Left v Right. 

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I know of people who have stopped attending because it has stopped being as political and campaigning as it used to be. There were a number of people who came to Glastonbury because it mattered, not just because it was fun, & now feel they may as well just have fun elsewhere because it no longer campaigns or matters.

Personally I have been disappointed by its drift into the mainstream but seek out the some political reinvigoration amongst the partying.

This year I was pleased to see a more political edge returning and I am sure many others were too.

You acne avoid politics at glastonbury but occasionally it might wander into your field of vision without you wanting it to. If that is unacceptable to you, there are plenty of other festivals that just do music and beer.

 

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1 hour ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

A random selection of organised people then.

It's not random though. It's a selection of people "that want to go to Glastonbury". It skews young, as people have already pointed out, but it skews in other ways too. It skews towards those without families as well for example. I'd imagine it's more like a 30/70 right/left split at most.

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Yeh, of course they are welcome. I bet a good proportion of festival goers are Tory...it's just they tend to keep quiet vs the hard left. People have to remember just because people might vote Tory does not make them some hard right lunatics. Many people who vote tory will be centre ground.

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16 minutes ago, Thunderstruck said:

Yeh, of course they are welcome. I bet a good proportion of festival goers are Tory...it's just they tend to keep quiet vs the hard left. People have to remember just because people might vote Tory does not make them some hard right lunatics. Many people who vote tory will be centre ground.

People have to remember just because people might vote Labour or be glad things are being shaken up that does not make them some kind of hard left lunatics - that one swings both ways. The whole presumption that it's going to a lynching at dawn for anyone with differing views is just not right at all, and feels a bit like the old propaganda technique of inciting siege mentality when it's just not applicable.

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5 minutes ago, frostypaw said:

People have to remember just because people might vote Labour or be glad things are being shaken up that does not make them some kind of hard left lunatics - that one swings both ways. The whole presumption that it's going to a lynching at dawn for anyone with differing views is just not right at all, and feels a bit like the old propaganda technique of inciting siege mentality when it's just not applicable.

Tory lynching at dawn is actually on the line up if you scroll down far enough.

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2 hours ago, The_Amazing_Oblong said:

I'm not understanding how you didn't see anything political. the leader of the Labour party gave a speech on the Pyramid stage shoulder to shoulder with the founder of the festival. I think that's about as 'in your face' political as it could possibly get.

Also it seems you are reading left wing as Labour. Labour are left wing but there are socialists, greens, feminists, communists, anti-capitialists a whole host of political and belief systems that are under the left wing umbrella. What it is against is right wing but again that is not just Tory, it includes BNP, UKIP, NF, Britain First etc.

It isn't as simple as Labour v Tory, it's Left v Right. 

Definitely.

In fact you could argue that Labour have actually been sidelined at the political side of the festival for a while until now. Greens represented far more in my recent experience. The left-leaning politics of the festival, the speakers, the topics etc. far extends beyond one party anyway to be fair.

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3 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

agree with you , my point really was aimed at the previous poster.  I'm fine with the way it is as I never encountered anything political.  I wasn't looking for it so didn't bother me 

You have never encountered anything political at Glastonbury Festival? I'm genuinely interested in which areas you go to because I literally can not think of anywhere which is completely void of politics there. Pyramid is perhaps closest I could get to (although lots of bands make political references)  or maybe Stone Circle? 

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3 hours ago, babyblade41 said:

I'm speaking generally , I accept it's roots are based to the left but it seems to have evolved into a great music , beer and food festival.

If it became so moderate would you cease to attend or would you go with the flow `?

I'm not sure I would go to be honest - Glastonbury would lose it's roots if it didn't have a political heart. It would become like a super big V fest *shudders*. I do feel for Torys going (but only a little).

This has got me thinking, though.There must be right wing festivals? There's a right wing shopping centre of sorts near my home with loads of signs everywhere going on about Brexit and stuff - I choose not to shop there, just as I would choose not to go to a right wing festival. I suppose my point is, if Torys don't like the political persuasion of the festival, maybe don't go? Leave some tickets for the rest of us!

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A lot of other festivals may not be 'right wing' per se, but a lot of them are beholden to commercial interests and reliant on advertising and sponsorship in order to turn a profit for the promoters.  So maybe 'capitalist' is a better descriptor.

I was at TRNSMT on Friday, and aside from the main stage the other areas are as follows:

The Jack Daniels Rocks Stage

King Tuts Stage Powered By Utilita Energy

The Smirnoff House

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3 minutes ago, Larraht said:

I'm not sure I would go to be honest - Glastonbury would lose it's roots if it didn't have a political heart. It would become like a super big V fest *shudders*. I do feel for Torys going (but only a little).

This has got me thinking, though.There must be right wing festivals? There's a right wing shopping centre of sorts near my home with loads of signs everywhere going on about Brexit and stuff - I choose not to shop there, just as I would choose not to go to a right wing festival. I suppose my point is, if Torys don't like the political persuasion of the festival, maybe don't go? Leave some tickets for the rest of us!

I did see references  to some degree but not blatantly and I wasn't going for that.  I went because my youngest said I'd have a great time which I did, after getting my ticket I was a little disheartened at the Sunday headliner but Saturdays more than made up for it .

She , although a labour voter but more centre left after hearing opinions here, and no she didn't go and see JC either .

I saw The pretenders although sound was awful, Paul Carrick , Foo Fighters, Bootleg Beatles , ended  up staying to watch Barry Gibb and Nile Rodgers due to not being physical able to move much further. So glad I did as I had a ball 

 saw a little of Biffy but seen him many times and had to call is a day at that point 

I had a great weekend , had a break from what I do at home, and would love to go again but would wait to see some kind of lineup first so it maybe a resale later as physically I found it a bit too tough 

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