Corbin Really !!

[Hello... I'm Johnny Cash]

44 minutes ago, youavinalaugh said:

Been to both,  I am left wing my friend and attend marches, but go to these as an escape and have a laugh....and I will have a laugh,  lets see if Corbin has a sense of humor

 

Why don't you write a letter to Mr Eavis to tell him how he can tailor the festival for your exact tastes?

[Trout Mask Replica]

48 minutes ago, rpfranks said:

Damn, out of down votes.

Fear not, I have one spare. 

[Upside down frowner]

49 minutes ago, p.pete said:

Welcome to the forum  

Aye welcome.

I expect you've been here before

[CaledonianGonzo]

20 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

agree with your last  sentiment..but . I abhor violence thrown at anyone or any political persuasion.if that's how Corbyn followers  deal with different opinions then I would rather move along from it .

Opinions?

You seem to be ignoring the fact that yer man wants to throw things.

[henry bear]

14 minutes ago, themuel said:

What everyone else said. If you don't want politics, don't go to a political festival. It really is that easy. 

Deary me

Yep. This was commonplace in the 80's  - lots of political speakers on the Pyramid. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Just now, henry bear said:

Yep. This was commonplace in the 80's  - lots of political speakers on the Pyramid. 

Owen Jones was on just a couple of years ago.

[p.pete]

19 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

agree with your last  sentiment..but . I abhor violence thrown at anyone or any political persuasion.if that's how Corbyn followers  deal with different opinions then I would rather move along from it . I'm afraid I'm going to get away from all this political angst and certainly JC's past doesn't sit comfortable with me so I won't be there ... if he is there and he is asked questions from neutrals then I hope he answers honestly  or else he is preaching to the converted and hope those who do admire him and his beliefs have the grace to accept people are entitled to an opinion if they chose to question him or differ from your views, it certainly won't show you in a good light . 

I will be mostly sunning myself with a cold one somewhere taking in the atmosphere and not listening to party political broadcast but happy for those who wish to do so ...and enjoy 

That seems the big shame of the approach to politics at Glastonbury - preaching to the converted.  I don't expect Corbyn to take any questions at all - especially when he's on the Pyramid, it just wouldn't work.  If he does it'd be at Leftfield, maybe some awkward ones will get through the net and probably booed.  

I've no problem with Corbyn or Lucas being at the festival - but more generally there's a seeming complete lack of engagement with anything other than the converted.  I think the spectrum of people attending is broader than just 'left', and if could be a really good place to engage people who don't normally listen if an alternative approach could be found.  As is I assume people steer clear and leave with their minds more shut than before?  

Let me know after you've been if you feel your mind has been shut more tightly as opposed to being opened  

[babyblade41]

1 minute ago, p.pete said:

That seems the big shame of the approach to politics at Glastonbury - preaching to the converted.  I don't expect Corbyn to take any questions at all - especially when he's on the Pyramid, it just wouldn't work.  If he does it'd be at Leftfield, maybe some awkward ones will get through the net and probably booed.  

I've no problem with Corbyn or Lucas being at the festival - but more generally there's a seeming complete lack of engagement with anything other than the converted.  I think the spectrum of people attending is broader than just 'left', and if could be a really good place to engage people who don't normally listen if an alternative approach could be found.  As is I assume people steer clear and leave with their minds more shut than before?  

Let me know after you've been if you feel your mind has been shut more tightly as opposed to being opened  

Apologies for my ignorance as I haven't been before and don't know really how big everything is and how politicians converse at such events .. but if like myself have no interest in engaging with him because of how I feel about his past beliefs I wont suddenly think "oh I'll go and have a listen to see if I now agree with him and I was wrong" it's just not going to happen and many like myself will be as far away as possible . However I have no problem with it going ahead as long as just can't see the point to speaking to a group of people who would agree with everything he says...

Apart from on these forums most don't see it as a big socialist statement at all and are going for a great time and are completely unaware of it's political stance.... the amount of times my youngest has gone she has never ever mentioned this to me and believe me if she could ram my tory views down my throat at any given time she would do ... she forgets it was me who provided the money , food , a roof ,wifi and all those other goodies parents supply free !!! I wonder why she voted Labour !!!

Again I have no problem with it and if I felt it was too much of a political festival and it ruined my first experience I wouldn't attempt a ticket again we all have a choice , but not sure I see the point from a political stance  when those that will listen to him already vote for him ...just my take

I'll certainly give my experience when I get back , and looking forward to it greatly and hopefully will see many diverse things over the few days .... I hope you have a good one too xx

 

 

 

[eFestivals]

20 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Owen Jones was on just a couple of years ago.

was that before he noticed Jez has faults or after?

[giantkatestacks]

2 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

Apologies for my ignorance as I haven't been before and don't know really how big everything is and how politicians converse at such events .. but if like myself have no interest in engaging with him because of how I feel about his past beliefs I wont suddenly think "oh I'll go and have a listen to see if I now agree with him and I was wrong" it's just not going to happen and many like myself will be as far away as possible . However I have no problem with it going ahead as long as just can't see the point to speaking to a group of people who would agree with everything he says...

Apart from on these forums most don't see it as a big socialist statement at all and are going for a great time and are completely unaware of it's political stance.... the amount of times my youngest has gone she has never ever mentioned this to me and believe me if she could ram my tory views down my throat at any given time she would do ... she forgets it was me who provided the money , food , a roof ,wifi and all those other goodies parents supply free !!! I wonder why she voted Labour !!!

Again I have no problem with it and if I felt it was too much of a political festival and it ruined my first experience I wouldn't attempt a ticket again we all have a choice , but not sure I see the point from a political stance  when those that will listen to him already vote for him ...just my take

I'll certainly give my experience when I get back , and looking forward to it greatly and hopefully will see many diverse things over the few days .... I hope you have a good one too xx

 

 

 

It always has had and always will have ( I hope) a leftwing slant - it pervades all the way through from the charity aspect to Greenpeace, the Tony Benn tower, the Leftfield, the history of the festival itself. 

The point about Leftfield is 'recharge your activism' it can feel really good to be in a place where your opinion is normal and shared among lots of likeminded people - maybe your daughter hasnt mentioned it to you as its so intrinsic to the whole thing that she didnt know you didnt know about it. 

Open your mind, chat to people just don't deride it as being political as this is very much part of the point.

[p.pete]

9 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

Apologies for my ignorance as I haven't been before and don't know really how big everything is and how politicians converse at such events .. but if like myself have no interest in engaging with him because of how I feel about his past beliefs I wont suddenly think "oh I'll go and have a listen to see if I now agree with him and I was wrong" it's just not going to happen and many like myself will be as far away as possible . However I have no problem with it going ahead as long as just can't see the point to speaking to a group of people who would agree with everything he says...

Apart from on these forums most don't see it as a big socialist statement at all and are going for a great time and are completely unaware of it's political stance.... the amount of times my youngest has gone she has never ever mentioned this to me and believe me if she could ram my tory views down my throat at any given time she would do ... she forgets it was me who provided the money , food , a roof ,wifi and all those other goodies parents supply free !!! I wonder why she voted Labour !!!

Again I have no problem with it and if I felt it was too much of a political festival and it ruined my first experience I wouldn't attempt a ticket again we all have a choice , but not sure I see the point from a political stance  when those that will listen to him already vote for him ...just my take

I'll certainly give my experience when I get back , and looking forward to it greatly and hopefully will see many diverse things over the few days .... I hope you have a good one too xx

It's easily avoidable - politics that is.  I'll be more interested in what you think generally, as opposed to 'what jeremy said' who I'd fully expect you to avoid.  There's politics on in a few different places - sometimes earlier on in Cabaret tent, speakers forum, and obviously leftfield.  But vast vast areas about the site where it never comes up, aside from isolated ramblings.  For what there is at the festival, I think there's a general assumption that everyone's on the same wavelength - which is what I was getting at in terms of they could maybe do more to approach people not on the same wavelength - if they so wished (but they seem happy as they are).

You'll have an excellent time regardless  

Edit: great post by @giantkatestacks above explaining why they're happy with the approach

Edited June 16, 2017 by p.pete

[gmb1992]

1 hour ago, Spindles said:

2 words...rhymes with Rabbit.

I actually can't work this out and it's really bugging me....

[clarkete]

4 minutes ago, giantkatestacks said:

It always has had and always will have ( I hope) a leftwing slant - it pervades all the way through from the charity aspect to Greenpeace, the Tony Benn tower, the Leftfield, the history of the festival itself. 

The point about Leftfield is 'recharge your activism' it can feel really good to be in a place where your opinion is normal and shared among lots of likeminded people - maybe your daughter hasnt mentioned it to you as its so intrinsic to the whole thing that she didnt know you didnt know about it. 

Open your mind, chat to people just don't deride it as being political as this is very much part of the point.

Nicely put.

Way back in 1986 the Housemartins played the Pyramid at the height of their fame.  During their set someone climbed the speaker stack to unfurl a banner about the News of the World (as they had a dispute at the time).

The band and the crowd were encouraging the protestor on.

[Spindles]

3 minutes ago, gmb1992 said:

I actually can't work this out and it's really bugging me....

Dianne Abbott.  Sorry.

[fred quimby]

27 minutes ago, p.pete said:

 I don't expect Corbyn to take any questions at all - especially when he's on the Pyramid, it just wouldn't work.

be wonderful if it did happen. No not you, the other one with a jesters hat and bloodshot eyes, no no not that one, the one stood next to the stormtrooper. Yes that's them, now get a microphone to them.

which cider from the cider bus you say, tricky

[gmb1992]

6 minutes ago, Spindles said:

Dianne Abbott.  Sorry.

Thanks for putting my mind at ease 

[Spindles]

 

5 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

be wonderful if it did happen.

Jeremy pulls out some cards from his jacket pocket: "I've got a question here from Mary, a single mother from Bradford.  Mary asks 'Why haven't the festival got on board with drug testing.  I paid £60 for a gram of ephedrine and paracetamol at the stone circle and I'm fucking livid' " 

[jfaragher]

55 minutes ago, Spindles said:

He's going to do 5 minutes of soundbite adulation, not some sort of sit down question and answer sessions.

 

"Thank you for being here to see me.  Grateful for the support at the GE, and from you here today.  Together we can make a difference.  For the many, not the few, time for change.  

RTJ are next, thanks Killer Mike for his support - whilst I'm not really familiar, I'm excited to hear something new, and it's great to see musicians vocal about what they believe.

Enjoy the weekend.  For the many, not the few.

[walks off, pauses, walks back]

Oh and RTJ MOTHERFUCKERS!"

[sime]

Been lots more trolls on here this year it seems. I'm guessing some of them are the same person but it's weird. The need to gain attention by provocation, it's weird. People are strange.

[BagpussSeesAllThings]

[Joshuwarr]

Rather than water bombs I'd much rather a big visual banner or sign that calls for Jez to not let down the 48% again. His failure to fight for the single market and freedom of movement means he is hardly the leader I'd want to be sticking around to cheer on...

[incident]

15 minutes ago, babyblade41 said:

the amount of times my youngest has gone she has never ever mentioned this to me and believe me if she could ram my tory views down my throat at any given time she would do ...

I can certainly understand that she may have chosen not to engage in the political aspects. They're not rammed down your throat (except in certain areas), so if you want to go to the Festival and avoid that stuff and treat it just as a gig, you can I guess.

But I really doubt it's possible to go to Glastonbury and not be aware, at least peripherally, that it exists. The Leftfield Stage has a prime spot in the middle of the main markets, on the main route from the Other Stage to the Pyramid. Politics are heavily evident in what's done in Shangri-La and the Green Fields amongst others. There's a huge banner display near one of the entrances to Silver Hayes. Various left wing charities (most notably Oxfam, WaterAid, GreenPeace, CND) have a substantial presence doing various things throughout the site, and the first 3 of those have their logos front and centre at the biggest stages. Hell, CND was even in the name of the Festival until the 90s and had their logo restored to the top of the Pyramid Stage a few years ago. There's plenty of campaigners roaming the site - I've been stopped by a Greenpeace recruiter the majority of times I've been to the Festival as was as each of the other named charities and some others at least once.

My guess is that if she didn't mention it to you, it's either because she treats it as a week off from politics and chooses not to engage, or she's waiting in the hope that you'll be caught unawares.

[babyblade41]

26 minutes ago, giantkatestacks said:

It always has had and always will have ( I hope) a leftwing slant - it pervades all the way through from the charity aspect to Greenpeace, the Tony Benn tower, the Leftfield, the history of the festival itself. 

The point about Leftfield is 'recharge your activism' it can feel really good to be in a place where your opinion is normal and shared among lots of likeminded people - maybe your daughter hasnt mentioned it to you as its so intrinsic to the whole thing that she didnt know you didnt know about it. 

Open your mind, chat to people just don't deride it as being political as this is very much part of the point.

Point accepted and will have a go ...mind you I'm a little bit long in the tooth for being to radical 

[babyblade41]

2 minutes ago, incident said:

I can certainly understand that she may have chosen not to engage in the political aspects. They're not rammed down your throat (except in certain areas), so if you want to go to the Festival and avoid that stuff and treat it just as a gig, you can I guess.

But I really doubt it's possible to go to Glastonbury and not be aware, at least peripherally, that it exists. The Leftfield Stage has a prime spot in the middle of the main markets, on the main route from the Other Stage to the Pyramid. Politics are heavily evident in what's done in Shangri-La and the Green Fields amongst others. There's a huge banner display near one of the entrances to Silver Hayes. Various left wing charities (most notably Oxfam, WaterAid, GreenPeace, CND) have a substantial presence doing various things throughout the site, and the first 3 of those have their logos front and centre at the biggest stages. Hell, CND was even in the name of the Festival until the 90s and had their logo restored to the top of the Pyramid Stage a few years ago. There's plenty of campaigners roaming the site - I've been stopped by a Greenpeace recruiter the majority of times I've been to the Festival as was as each of the other named charities and some others at least once.

My guess is that if she didn't mention it to you, it's either because she treats it as a week off from politics and chooses not to engage, or she's waiting in the hope that you'll be caught unawares.

Thanks for that... I think she is probably too scared to engage too much from her left side as I could withhold goodies when I go and see her 

[youavinalaugh]

1 hour ago, Havors said:

I would hazard a guess you throw anything one of the 50 thousand people plus at the stage may not let you leave in one piece 

How's about you just be elsewhere if you don't like him? You won't go watch a band you don't like.... I would hope ha 

 

1 hour ago, Slugworth said:

Ssssshhhhhh, don't warn them.

 

Don't get me wrong he's better than the other choices, end of the day though just another private school educated member of the system promising everything...Havours, took on the Nazis and Police in Croydon,, actually going for the music, but don't mind a tear up..Hopefully see you there, well be the ones with the baloon's.... : )