2019 Move

[stuartbert two hats]

16 minutes ago, jparx said:

Like the Black Mirror episode where the woman's partner passes away and she orders the Android replacement thing that is made up from all of his past email/texts/videos etc.

Be Right Back

Somebody actually tried it, without the actual robot. A long read, but good. If nothing else, just read the chat transcripts:

http://www.theverge.com/a/luka-artificial-intelligence-memorial-roman-mazurenko-bot

[Untz]

8 hours ago, OG said:

I think the problem is that "we" as in efestival members have a skewed view about Glastonbury. Every single member on here could not buy a ticket to the new festival and it wouldn't matter one bit. Glastonbury is a business, and a very good one at that. I have worked in hospitality for many years and the return regulars be it a restaurant, hotel or cafe make up a very tiny percentage of all custom. We on efestivals build it up to be something that is only for us, 99% of Glastonbury punters wouldn't really care where it was held and the Eavi know this. 

Going to slightly disagree with you. Yes, we are obsessive weirdos with skewed opinions, but I would expect quite a lot of people are regular returnees (the place would have probably closed long before now if not) and most of them would link the festival with the location. From talking to people and hearing from people who get dragged up as assistants on the T&C stages there's a hell of lot of people on their multiple visit. The correct question to ask seems to be "so how many have you done before?" not "is this your first time?". 

Though yes, newbies and the Pyramid-all-day-erry-day crowd won't give a shit.

[THEBOILERMAN]

I`ve been going to Glastonbury since 1981 and have seen the changes (for better and worse) as they have happened, the only constant thing has been the site. any event put on at a alternative site would not and could not be Glastonbury.

 

 

[Pink_Tequila]

4 hours ago, eFestivals said:

The race course is only good for 10000 or so.

Greenbelt at the racecourse used to have a capacity of 24,000 with camping in the adjacent helicopter fields but I don't think the racecourse is a possible venue, your have  fence round every jump and the outside course is out of bounds,  I don't personally even think Wychwood is best placed there and Greenbelt have now moved to a Greenfield site and downsized.

Edited October 29, 2016 by Pink_Tequila
Added something else

[jparx]

5 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Be Right Back

Somebody actually tried it, without the actual robot. A long read, but good. If nothing else, just read the chat transcripts:

http://www.theverge.com/a/luka-artificial-intelligence-memorial-roman-mazurenko-bot

Speechless. That's absolutely mind blowing!

[incident]

7 hours ago, slash's hat said:

When Gloucestershire was mentioned I did get a little excited at the prospect of local tickets...but living in Gloucester don't suppose it would stretch that far if it was Stroud.

I should mention that when I said "stroud festival", it using stroud as an example rather than having any actual knowledge, I could just have as easily picked any town in the vicinity..

[ian the worm]

2 minutes ago, incident said:

I should mention that when I said "stroud festival", it using stroud as an example rather than having any actual knowledge, I could just have as easily picked any town in the vicinity..

Understood, but not Dursley, Stonehouse or Nailsworth.

[Chawk]

18 hours ago, incident said:

That's actually really difficult to answer for a few reasons - partly because we don't know what land is affordable and what isn't, but also because downsizing would inevitably mean fewer and smaller entertainment spaces.

Here's a not great example - Reading and Leeds Festivals combined have approximately the same capacity as Glastonbury. But they use a fraction of the amount of land partly due to day tickets but mostly because there's (relatively speaking) nowhere near as much going on and it's all jammed into a relatively small arena.

My guess? If they had to retreat just to land controlled by the Eavis family for everything (including car parks etc), and reduced the entertainment areas proportionally rather than condensed them, then I think it's reasonable to assume the capacity would be approximately cut in half.

If this is the case then surely they would reduce capacity, and run another event elsewhere, before not having Glastonbury at all at Worthy Farm.

[Woffy]

6 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Be Right Back

Somebody actually tried it, without the actual robot. A long read, but good. If nothing else, just read the chat transcripts:

http://www.theverge.com/a/luka-artificial-intelligence-memorial-roman-mazurenko-bot

That's weird and disconcerting. 

Why haven't Radiohead written a song about it yet?

[stuartbert two hats]

2 hours ago, Woffy said:

That's weird and disconcerting. 

Why haven't Radiohead written a song about it yet?

They probably have, we just couldn't tell what Thom was saying.

[The other Bellboy]

22 hours ago, ian the worm said:

Understood, but not Dursley, Stonehouse or Nailsworth.

Minchinhampton common would work i'm sure!

[waterfalls212434]

the site is very much tied into the festival that is the issue, so much would be missed if they moved somewhere else I doubt theyd risk it unless they really really had to.Ive only been going since 2013 and even I say it wouldnt feel like glastonbury to me if it was held somewhere else. 

[shuttlep]

I know a few people that last went in the 80's early ninety's and they say they won;t go again as it's now not the same.

 

 

I think partly what they mean and refuse to admit is that, they have changed they now have responsibilities and they are not the same as they were back then.  People always want to re live their youth. they look at it through rose tinted spectacles. it is never the same when you go back, rather than admit they have changed they say the festival has changed, and not the same. Of course it has changed everything has changed I would say for the better.

[EamerRed]

I'd be very intrigued to find out where exactly in Gloucestershire. It could work quite well to be fair

[Spindles]

16 minutes ago, shuttlep said:

I think partly what they mean and refuse to admit is that, they have changed they now have responsibilities and they are not the same as they were back then.  People always want to re live their youth. they look at it through rose tinted spectacles. it is never the same when you go back, rather than admit they have changed they say the festival has changed, and not the same. Of course it has changed everything has changed I would say for the better.

Fair comment that.  I always think that when people launch into the speech about how they went twice in the early 90s and now it's all over commercialised and lost it's magic, how do they come to this conclusion, not having returned?

[EasyUserName]

15 minutes ago, shuttlep said:

I know a few people that last went in the 80's early ninety's and they say they won;t go again as it's now not the same.

 

 

I think partly what they mean and refuse to admit is that, they have changed they now have responsibilities and they are not the same as they were back then.  People always want to re live their youth. they look at it through rose tinted spectacles. it is never the same when you go back, rather than admit they have changed they say the festival has changed, and not the same. Of course it has changed everything has changed I would say for the better.

I can relate to this one.  I've a car very similar to the one I first had at 18, and it's pretty much as I recall it was then - a pile of poop.  It is unreliable, smelly, cold without a radio and a pig to drive.  So, I hardly use it, as usually when I'm driving I actually have to be at the destination at some point. 

 

"They don't make them like they used to" - no, because they were rubbish.

"I wish I could go back" - I don't, as sometimes it's fun, but not having a half-a-mile breaking distance with everyone else on the road going twice as fast as you.

 

You just have to accept that things are different.

[shuttlep]

Just now, Spindles said:

Fair comment that.  I always think that when people launch into the speech about how they went twice in the early 90s and now it's all over commercialised and lost it's magic, how do they come to this conclusion, not having returned?

I think that , a few peopel say it has changed for the worse but have they been back? 

 

a mate of mine went last year for the first time in 10 years, he used to be there in the 80's with the travelers. he was worried he wasn't going to enjoy it.

 

afterwards all he could say is wow. he will be going back next year

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, shuttlep said:

I know a few people that last went in the 80's early ninety's and they say they won;t go again as it's now not the same.

 

 

I think partly what they mean and refuse to admit is that, they have changed they now have responsibilities and they are not the same as they were back then.  People always want to re live their youth. they look at it through rose tinted spectacles. it is never the same when you go back, rather than admit they have changed they say the festival has changed, and not the same. Of course it has changed everything has changed I would say for the better.

I've been going since 1986. It's changed a hell of a lot in that 30+ years, and not necessarily for the better.

Whether or not you think it's changed for the better is likely to depend on how much you want/need to feel comfortable and safe by being surrounded by a very mainstream crowd of people who have mainstream ideas and act in mainstream ways.

I don't mean that to sound derogatory to 'mainstream' or as way of trying to say non-mainstream is cool - everyone likes what they like, after all - but it is hugely-more mainstream today than it was.

Personally, my take on most of the people I know who might say "I wouldn't go today because it's not the same" is really that they're pissed off that they can't get in for free now, and who think of themselves as too cool to have to pay for it. If it doesn't want them there for free then it must be a crap party, that sort of thing.

I've started to hear similar things from a few 'cool' (they think so, anyway ) Boomtowners too - saying stuff like "I wouldn't go if I had to pay for it" even while also saying it's far and the best festie there is nowadays.

That thing is more about them than the festival, and not really about any change in either of them, I'd say. It's mostly that they're self-important w*nkers.

[ohvienna]

Personally I'd be interested to see what the Glastonbury team and their network of collaborators could do with a blank slate. I think the problem is people would just in their mind start comparing it to Glastonbury, which obviously it won't be on scale or emotional level. 

[cidy]

Been going since 1990 missed 3 in that time , seen it grow to the monster it has become not sure how many I've it left in me as it gets harder every year but if it did move it wouldn't interest me at all ,there would more rules and regulations I reckon , more pre erected tents would be the norm I believe , no alcohol in arena area possibly due to council regulations etc etc .

Just got a feeling it will move eventually after all eavis has stated he is a dairy  farmer first and that is his passion .

Also he's in talks with innocent to possibly market glastonbury branded milk , innocent are now predominately owned by cocoa cola so surprised he's thinking of dealing with them but if it secures the future of the dairy business for worthy farm I can see his reasoning

 

 

[Homer]

You can say what you want about the festival changing - but I reckon you're far less likely to be batted around the head twice while minding your own business, as my mate was in 95.

[Pinhead]

The festival hasn't really changed but the people who attend have changed, and the society from which they are drawn. I'd love to go back to a '90's style Glasto as those were the most fun I can remember, but then I was younger etc. and you can't just go back to that sort of psychology overnight at my age. Glastonbury naturally adapts to the era in which it continues to be held. I already think the noughties seem quite different from the last few years festi's.

[Spindles]

13 hours ago, Homer said:

You can say what you want about the festival changing - but I reckon you're far less likely to be batted around the head twice while minding your own business, as my mate was in 95.

Yeah, we got set upon in the cinema field on the Saturday night in 2000, my mates brother came away with mild burns and an ear that looked like flaps of meat hanging off his head (and still looks a mess to this day).  In all my 6 visits since the worst I have experienced was a drunk young bloke randomly spitting venom at me for being too old (I'm 45), who I laughed off and carried about my business.

Friends who went in 95 describe it as one of the most anarchic (up there with 90 and 2000, I'm told), so not surprised to hear that.

Since returning in 2009 I've not seen anything of dodgy security turning people over (although read a few accounts) or scumbags using violence and intimidation to line their pockets as once existed.  I've never felt unsafe at the festival since coming back, far from it, in fact these days the attitude of people on the site would be more likely that if someone started on you then people would intervene and make sure you were ok.

[clarkete]

1 hour ago, Spindles said:

Friends who went in 95 describe it as one of the most anarchic (up there with 90 and 2000, I'm told), so not surprised to hear that.

Didn't seem in the same league as 1990 to me, but then firstly I have a rubbish memory and secondly that's on the basis that 1990 was the year of "'appy Mondays, in the area!" coming out from the pyramid.  It seemed to be really hectic that year and lots of folks who wouldn't normally come, hence the mood changed quite a bit.

Of course it all depends where you are and who you encounter as to what your experience is.

[Spindles]

Yeah, I've seen footage from 2000 where the Pyramid field during the sub headliner is quieter than it is at lunchtime these days, but that's the year everyone talks about for overcrowding, so it goes to show that your experience very much depends on where you are and when on site.