Sunday Legend 2016

[mr gumby]

21 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

I was recently reading a reappraisal of An Innocent Man somewhere or other which seemed to indicate that it's actually quite good.

Never heard it, mind.

I like the title song, and one or two others, but most of that album was shit when it was released, and is even worse 30 odd years later. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

Of the singles I even remember, Uptown Girl and Tell Her About It are both.........OK.

[mrtourette]

6 minutes ago, TheSilence said:

Calling people idiots for enjoying pop music like Lionel and Dolly Parton is embarrassingly snobby and pretty rude. 

I don't think he's calling them idiots for enjoying pop music, it's probably just a coincidence that a crowd of people who lap up washed-up 'legends' who are hawking a new greatest hits album to a festival that they would have laughed at a suggestion of playing (and who in turn wouldn't have touched them with a shitty stick) when they were in their prime feature a high percentage of idiots.

Edited December 1, 2015 by mrtourette

[eFestivals]

17 minutes ago, TheSilence said:

Calling people idiots for enjoying pop music like Lionel and Dolly Parton is embarrassingly snobby and pretty rude. 

Why? Are you the only person in the world without an opinion of music?

 

Edited December 1, 2015 by eFestivals

[mr gumby]

10 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said:

Of the singles I even remember, Uptown Girl and Tell Her About It are both.........OK.
 

It's all personal subjective opinion, obviously, but I'd say both of those are among the worst songs he's ever produced. If you're interested, try searching YouTube for 'New York State of Mind' and 'Goodnight Saigon'. 

[stuartbert two hats]

Dolly Parton was in her prime around 2001 when she was doing proper bluegrass, which included this stonking track:

 

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

This contradicts direct experience that the apex of her career was playing the Benny Hill Theme on a tiny plastic saxophone to a packed Pyramid field.

[TheSilence]

6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Why? Are you the only person in the world without an opinion of music?

 

No. It was rude, generalising and prejudiced. It wasnt an opinion on the music itself, it was a rude opinion on the fans of that music. 

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, TheSilence said:

No. It was rude, generalising and prejudiced. It wasnt an opinion on the music itself, it was a rude opinion on the fans of that music. 

The music is bad.

What am I supposed to think of people who like what I regard as shit music? Am I meant to consider their dreadful musical tastes as good as my own?

Do you hold Westlife fans in the same esteem as you do fans of your favourite band? FFS!

The missus and I were chatting about some of the comments here around Adele the other day, and were somewhat shocked that there's so many couples with little musical affinity.

But hey, perhaps that's just us.

Edited December 1, 2015 by eFestivals

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

The music is bad.

What am I supposed to think of people who like what I regard as shit music? Am I meant to consider their dreadful musical tastes as good as my own?

Do you hold Westlife fans in the same esteem as you do fans of your favourite band? FFS!

The missus and I were chatting about some of the comments here around Adele the other day, and were somewhat shocked that there's so many couples with little musical affinity.

But hey, perhaps that's just us.

The song I just posted is not bad.  

[A Guy Called Matt]

2 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

The song I just posted is not bad.  

If you like it nothing is bad.

If you don't like it it is not bad, it is just not for you.

I like some music others don't. None of us are wrong, we all just have different tastes. My wife likes Adele and has the new album. I have listened to the new album. It is not for me.

Each to their own and long may that continue.

[stuartbert two hats]

Just now, mattyc1965 said:

If you like it nothing is bad.

If you don't like it it is not bad, it is just not for you.

I like some music others don't. None of us are wrong, we all just have different tastes. My wife likes Adele and has the new album. I have listened to the new album. It is not for me.

Each to their own and long may that continue.

What you're forgetting is that I'm more righterer that others, right?

Glad we cleared that one up!

[CaledonianGonzo]

Compared to Benny Hill it is.

The song I just posted is not bad.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

The song I just posted is not bad.  

perhaps, but that must be something different to the bad cabaret delivered at Worthy Farm.

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, mattyc1965 said:

If you like it nothing is bad.

If you don't like it it is not bad, it is just not for you.

I like some music others don't. None of us are wrong, we all just have different tastes. My wife likes Adele and has the new album. I have listened to the new album. It is not for me.

Each to their own and long may that continue.

so there's no such thing as bad music?

For the prosecution....

I'm looking forwards to hearing your defence.

 

[mrtourette]

8 minutes ago, mattyc1965 said:

If you like it nothing is bad.

If you don't like it it is not bad, it is just not for you.

Bad is an assessment or an opinion, so it's perfectly reasonable to think something is bad rather than 'just not for you'.

Saying 'in my opinion the music produced by Dolly Parton and especially the song that stuartbert two hats posted is shit' is a perfectly reasonable opinion to have. It shouldn't covered up by some 'it's not that it's bad, it's just not for me' bullshit.

However trying to foist that opinion on others, telling them that that their differing opinion is wrong or judging them as a person solely on that opinion is wrong.

But that's just my opinion. It might be that kind of behaviour is just not for me.

Edited December 1, 2015 by mrtourette

[A Guy Called Matt]

7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

What you're forgetting is that I'm more righterer that others, right?

Glad we cleared that one up!

Obviously you are more righterer than me in all apart from that in which you are more wrongerer.

[Mardy]

ll this 'hey, everybody has their own thing, and that's cool' hippy claptrap is cobblers of the first magnitude. Everybody has a line where they consider music to be shite, it's just placed in a different level, that's all.

if you say you don't discriminate and believe all music is equal, well, frankly I don't believe you. I don't believe people would really be all OK and 'everybody's entitled to their opinion, maaaaaan' if it was announced that next years Headliner was the Xfactor final live from worthy farm. 

 

Some music is shit, and wrong and for dumbarses. And frankly, if you listen to it, yeah, I'll judge you. Call me a snob, call me an elitist, call me a c**t. i) you certainly wouldn't be the first, probably not the last and ii) tell me you don't have  some acts you consider unacceptable to headline Glastonbury. We all have a line, we just draw it in different places.

[stuartbert two hats]

1 minute ago, mrtourette said:

Bad is an assessment or an opinion, so it's perfectly reasonable to think something is bad rather than 'just not for you'.

Saying 'in my opinion the music produced by Dolly Parton and especially the song that stuartbert two hats posted is shit' is a perfectly reasonable opinion to have. It shouldn't covered up by some 'it's not that it's bad, it's just not for me' bullshit.

However trying to foist that opinion on others, telling them that that their differing opinion is wrong or judging them as a person solely on that opinion is wrong.

But that's just my opinion. It might be that kind of behaviour is just not for me.

Except it's not.  It's categorically and objectively wrong. ;)

[stuartbert two hats]

I think we're all losing sight of the fact that I just posted the greatest cover version of all time* and I'm frankly shocked and more than a little disappointed in you all that this has failed to be recognised.

 

 

*in my opinion

Edited December 1, 2015 by stuartbert two hats

[A Guy Called Matt]

8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

so there's no such thing as bad music?

For the prosecution....

I'm looking forwards to hearing your defence.

 

My defence is easy - but will be ignored......

I do not like Westlife but they were not bad at what they did and many liked them. Those who liked them probably did not like much of the punk I liked. That made neither bad, we just did not share the same taste.

All music that someone really does not like, to them, is bad (or shit). All music they like is not bad (or shit). Someone else will have the alternate opinion.

You might like to expand and replace the word 'music' with just about anything...... but I don't. I am happy for others to have their own opinion even if it differs from mine. If we all liked the same and thought the same wouldn't the world be a dull place!

Edited December 1, 2015 by mattyc1965

[russycarps]

50 minutes ago, TheSilence said:

Calling people idiots for enjoying pop music like Lionel and Dolly Parton is embarrassingly snobby and pretty rude. 

Labeling them idiots is very wrong.

They are cretins at the very least. Bordering on imbeciles.

 

 

[CaledonianGonzo]

My personal Glastonbury headliner red line was crossed when they booked The Boomtown Rats back in 1985.

Since then it's been a free for all.

[TheSilence]

30 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

The music is bad.

What am I supposed to think of people who like what I regard as shit music? Am I meant to consider their dreadful musical tastes as good as my own?

Do you hold Westlife fans in the same esteem as you do fans of your favourite band? FFS!

The missus and I were chatting about some of the comments here around Adele the other day, and were somewhat shocked that there's so many couples with little musical affinity.

But hey, perhaps that's just us.

No, you're welcome to think they have bad music taste. 

Calling them idiots has nothing to do with their music taste, it has something to do with their intelligence, of which personal preference has no link (in most cases). 

I have no objection to you saying that a certain type of music is shit, I have no objection to you saying a certain person's music taste is shit. I do have an objection to you calling people idiots for enjoying a certain type of music, because it's rude. 

[CaledonianGonzo]

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