formed a band Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 'experiences of the holocaust'? That must make you in your late 70's at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 I'm intrigued by someone's statement that: hard work should be rewarded, people who contribute less should receive less and those who get dealt a tough hand should be looked after by charities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommadawn Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 My experiences yes. I've travelled through Poland to various hollocaust sights and trust me the horror resonates just as much now. Is suggest visiting yourself Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eFestivals Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 There is a tendancy to label people as "right wing uncaring bastards" when actually the vast majority simply believe that hard work and effort should be rewarded whilst laziness and apathy should not.Some people just don't get it. The vast majority of people on both the left and right subscribe to that view.The difference arises over the level of reward a person should get for their "hard work and effort".Ultimately it's his festival and he is very very unlikely to allow a balanced political debate to take place.behave!Or maybe it's his Stalinist streak that has major tory party figures with decades of attendances dying in his bogs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formed a band Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Then you have no experience of the holocaust as you haven't actually lived through it. Visiting Auschwitz might give you idea of what went on but won't give you the experience of living though it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digi Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 I really suggest going if you think that's all it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddington Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 I'm intrigued by someone's statement that: hard work should be rewarded YES , people who contribute less should receive less YES and those who get dealt a tough hand should be looked after by charities.NO- they should be helped and encouraged to get back on their feet. Who's defining the 'tough hand'? No-one afaik What assessment criteria are you going to use for that? What happens to those who've worked hard for 25 yrs, never claimed benefits and suddenly lose their job and can't get another one? They should be helped out absolutely. They should receive a certain amount of benefit that is directly related to the amount of money that they have previously contributed to the system. Is that charity who sorts that, or do they get rewarded for hard work? No it's the governement What about the elderly? Same When you turn 65 is there some kind of sorting hat where if you've got 100% NI contributions you go to care home heaven and if not you got to hell? I wouldn't say "hell", there should be a minimum level of aid Is there a point to that when the former can afford their own care better than the latter? I absolutely fundamentally disagree with this. You could have 2 people in identical jobs, paid the same all their life. One is careful and puts away a nest egg for their retirement, one decides to have a great time and spends all their money. Why should the former be penalised for being sensible? What if their isn't any charity money and people die because they can't afford care? Minimum level of aid as per above.Do you care, and if not, are you and your parents in the former or latter category? I'm genuinely curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formed a band Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 I visit every season actually until this season , for the record I haven't said that it was exclusively pissed up scousers, we all know who is particularly to blame , but during such dark days total absolution of a minority of fans is odd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesecretingredientiscrime Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Back on topic though, the reality is that Eavis is a socialist (probably one of the very few socialist farmers but there you go!). Ultimately it's his festival and he is very very unlikely to allow a balanced political debate to take place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddington Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Some people just don't get it. The vast majority of people on both the left and right subscribe to that view. The difference arises over the level of reward a person should get for their "hard work and effort". behave! Or maybe it's his Stalinist streak that has major tory party figures with decades of attendances dying in his bogs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formed a band Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Eavis saved the festival as he saw the capital gain it could make him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Nick Clegg spoke there, he's pretty right wing, it's turned out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Eavis saved the festival as he saw the capital gain it could make him ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Actually, the old leftwingers = Stalinists smear is just as weak as the rightwingers = Nazis one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddington Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Why do you think Eavis is a socialist? Glastonbury oppose the things that tried to destroy the festival unsurprisingly, and it just so happens the majority of those things are alligned to the right wing. That doesn't make the festival "socialist", its anything but. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddington Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Absolutely agree. Any form of labelling and judgement based on one particular belief, such as 'believes in sharing and kindness = subversive socialist' or 'believes in an open market = oppressive Tory voting scum' is pathetic and lazy, and yet such slurs are banded around with alarming regularity. Can't be bothered to form an argument? Just slander the opposing person/view with a lazy generalisation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ed209 Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Er the fact that he stood as a Labour candidate maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formed a band Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 What, by nearly going bankrupt when it nearly didn't sell out in 08? Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of carott flowers Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 End result- people have exactly the same views and outlook on life as if the Leftfield tent never was there. Which begs the question what purpose does it actually serve? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 The labour party isn't a socialist party Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrtourette Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Preaching to the converted for 90% of the audience I am sure.. but it doesnt mean it shouldnt be there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
king of carott flowers Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 exactly this.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddington Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Always makes me chuckle when people who express traditionally right-wing views are labelled Tory scum. It's perfectly possibe to believe in free, open and therefore uneven social and economic policies and still be well in tune with Labour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesecretingredientiscrime Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Er the fact that he stood as a Labour candidate maybe? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Englishdragon Posted May 11, 2013 Report Share Posted May 11, 2013 Jesus, the more of these treads I read on here the more I question why the hell am I bothering going to Glastonbury. Give me a bunch of kids, pissed up partying over a bunch of people having a polictal debate at a festival any day of the week and this is coming from someone who is a member of the labour party and used to represent a union at national level (although not anymore, saw the inner workings of unions and I now I hate them) Its a festival, get drunk, watch bands and have fun. Want to talk to me about politics there, I will politely tell you to fuck off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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