The Smashing Pumpkins

[rexclark]

Sales wise they dwarf the Queens - agreed. But their recent output has been patchy and as a live draw I don't think theres any comparison.

Youre right - Corgan is a laughing stock and what happened to D'Arcy is v sad.

From this:

To this:

[Wooderson]

Crack is a messy messy drug folks. None messier.

[beau1]

Id say the Pumpkins are about as heavy as The Cure. Both bands have their heavy tracks but arn't seen as heavy. Same with Pixies

Considering The Cure had to stop a glasto headline performance due to crushing and were invited back I wouldnt worry about this so called death list.

Edited January 11, 2013 by beau1

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Id say the Pumpkins are about as heavy as The Cure. Both bands have their heavy tracks but arn't seen as heavy.

Considering The Cure had to stop a glasto headline performance due to crushing and were invited back I wouldnt worry about this so called death list.

[FloorFiller]

Smashing Pumpkins are a bit heavier than The Cure. doubt you'd get many people 'moshing' to The Cure songs, whereas you'd definitely get that to some Smashing Pumpkins songs

but i definitely wouldn't put Smashing Pumpkins up there as a risk band - if they headlined Other i doubt there would be any point where the crowd got too out of control or anything

[beau1]

Yeah I know it was. Even so there have been some fairly bands since. Song 2 by blur is hardly music to sleep too.

[beau1]

Smashing Pumpkins are a bit heavier than The Cure. doubt you'd get many people 'moshing' to The Cure songs, whereas you'd definitely get that to some Smashing Pumpkins songs

but i definitely wouldn't put Smashing Pumpkins up there as a risk band - if they headlined Other i doubt there would be any point where the crowd got too out of control or anything

[Lewis Cato]

I saw them when they played Brixton and they were a really tight band and thoroughly enjoyable, plus Billy didn't seem to have much of an ego at all, that's horrendous what happened in Nottingham; did you get refunds?

[FloorFiller]

Billy is one of those frontmen along with Axl Rose who still thinks he's some kind of king amongst men as he was viewed in the 90's. those little strops may have played out back in Smashing Pumpkins heyday but these days it just makes him look like a massive c**t. i think he's sorted it out a bit lately though. i think Zeitgeist prettymuch failing gave him a bit of a kick up the arse

[zero000]

I saw them when they played Brixton and they were a really tight band and thoroughly enjoyable, plus Billy didn't seem to have much of an ego at all, that's horrendous what happened in Nottingham; did you get refunds?

[Guitargeek]

With the QotSA comparison: I think at that the heavy end of the Pumpkins spectrum might be a little heavier than QotSA, especially QotSA set's nowadays without Nick Olivieri. Perhaps Queens would sell out a venue faster, but I reckon SP would still get a pretty sizeable crowd on the other. I don't really know the size of the Queens crowd in '11 cos I was right down the front the whole time. Unfortunately I had to wait through the Kaisers at the back and their crowd was pretty big. Thinly spread, but only about 10/20 metres from the metal walkway. They're a band that lots of people would come see at a fest but not on the tour.

Thtat being said, A Song for the Dead was pretty damn heavy.

[Justiceforcedave]

Pumpkins are probably still a bigger draw than QOTSA

[Justiceforcedave]

Look at this one

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=David%20Bowie&geo=GB&cmpt=q

[Justiceforcedave]

I never knew about this - it looks like it makes a difference if you include or exclude the "the" in band names which is a bit daft IMO

[Guitargeek]

Need to log in to see those. Can you post some figures?

[mcshed]

Although not an entirely accurate way of gauging popularity I always have a peak at Google trends if I'm curious to try and work out interest in one band vs another.

Pumpkins

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=%22the%20smashing%20pumpkins%22&geo=GB&cmpt=q

QOTSA

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=queens%20of%20the%20stone%20age&geo=GB&cmpt=q

Always good fun to type in "Razorlight" or "The Fratellis" and see what happens

[Ed209]

Cool feature. Never knew about that before.

But yeah, as mcshed says, utterly useless for making comparisons

[Ed209]

It defines 100 as the peak of that search terms popularity so you have no idea how those two graphs compare unless you plot them on the same graph

http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=smashing%20pumpkins%2C%20queens%20of%20the%20stone%20age&cmpt=q

[mrtourette]

Interesting, but as with most 'evience' that people try and use to prove that band x is bigger than band y (lastfm listens, facebook likes) means absiolutly nothing in this context. Good fun to play around with though.

And rememebr kids, other internet search engines are available.

[Ed209]

Interesting, but as with most 'evience' that people try and use to prove that band x is bigger than band y (lastfm listens, facebook likes) means absiolutly nothing in this context. Good fun to play around with though.

And rememebr kids, other internet search engines are available.

[Justiceforcedave]

Interesting, but as with most 'evience' that people try and use to prove that band x is bigger than band y (lastfm listens, facebook likes) means absiolutly nothing in this context. Good fun to play around with though.

And rememebr kids, other internet search engines are available.

Edited January 14, 2013 by Justiceforcedave

[mrtourette]

disagree, I think this is a really good way to gauge and compare popularity. OK, so there are peaks when bands make announcements and such, but Smashing Pumpkins consistently over the past 8/9 years get more searches/interest in them that QotSA.

and yes there are other search engines, but please enlighten me as to which ones have better search algorithms and features than google.

[Ed209]

I always get out of bed without a sense of humour on a Monday morning.

I thought the discussion was about popularity. (which is still a pretty good way of deciding who gets a higher billing)

anyway, I'm going to go back to bed (on my desk)

[mrtourette]

Yeah to be fair I think it may have degenrated into that, but it started as 'if they play Pumpkins would/wouldn't headline the Other as they're more/less popular than QOTSA'.

[Justiceforcedave]