WWE

[pink_triangle]

Cesaro heel turn was pointless. His workrate means he will always be loved by the hardcore fans. His lack of personality means the more casual fans will never care.

[WS_Jack_III]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Cesaro heel turn was pointless. His workrate means he will always be loved by the hardcore fans. His lack of personality means the more casual fans will never care.

I thought he was quite good on Rawtalk at being a complete twat.

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16 hours ago, When Jokers Attack said:

House Of Horrors was garbage.

 

Do you think there is a way the could have booked the match which you would have enjoyed within the parameters they exist eg no blood, PG era. I think it was a match that the internet was always going to shit on but served a purpose as being something different on the card.

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4 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Do you think there is a way the could have booked the match which you would have enjoyed within the parameters they exist eg no blood, PG era. I think it was a match that the internet was always going to shit on but served a purpose as being something different on the card.

No as the whole concept was ridiculous, would have been worse if it had blood. The TNA done with the Hardy's was brilliant and worked as it wasn't meant to be taken serious and was funny, stupid but was fun to watch as it knew would it was doing and had a purpose. Wtf was the point of any of this? Horrible.

not just internet fans. The live crowd booed the hell out of it after it ended and feedback from people there saying they hated the show because of this and Bayley losing in her hometown.

[WS_Jack_III]

59 minutes ago, When Jokers Attack said:

No as the whole concept was ridiculous, would have been worse if it had blood. The TNA done with the Hardy's was brilliant and worked as it wasn't meant to be taken serious and was funny, stupid but was fun to watch as it knew would it was doing and had a purpose. Wtf was the point of any of this? Horrible.

not just internet fans. The live crowd booed the hell out of it after it ended and feedback from people there saying they hated the show because of this and Bayley losing in her hometown.

It had a million fewer quick cuts than The Final Deletion.

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1 hour ago, When Jokers Attack said:

No as the whole concept was ridiculous, would have been worse if it had blood. The TNA done with the Hardy's was brilliant and worked as it wasn't meant to be taken serious and was funny, stupid but was fun to watch as it knew would it was doing and had a purpose. Wtf was the point of any of this? Horrible.

not just internet fans. The live crowd booed the hell out of it after it ended and feedback from people there saying they hated the show because of this and Bayley losing in her hometown.

Are the crowd that make the most noise the representative of the whole fanbase? Im not sure I know the answer, but would suspect not.  I think its important to remember the wwe is trying to cater to different audience who look for different things in the product.  I remember when I was young loving it when Undertaker fought the likes of Kamala and Giant Gonzales, but reading later that all the adults hated it.

I think its important that WWE PPvs (if thats what they are still called) are not just 7 matches one after the other. Thats why I support them doing something different. Im not saying a house of horrors match is the only way of achieving this. Im all for more backstage segments and storylines that go through the PPV. I also miss the pre match interviews they regularly used to do before the matches.

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1 hour ago, pink_triangle said:

Are the crowd that make the most noise the representative of the whole fanbase? Im not sure I know the answer, but would suspect not.  I think its important to remember the wwe is trying to cater to different audience who look for different things in the product.  I remember when I was young loving it when Undertaker fought the likes of Kamala and Giant Gonzales, but reading later that all the adults hated it.

I think its important that WWE PPvs (if thats what they are still called) are not just 7 matches one after the other. Thats why I support them doing something different. Im not saying a house of horrors match is the only way of achieving this. Im all for more backstage segments and storylines that go through the PPV. I also miss the pre match interviews they regularly used to do before the matches.

No but that is the live audience, the goal of a show should be to entertain those who paid to be there and get a positive reaction. Same with any form of live entertainment. I'm all for different things and catering to all types,  WWE target audience is clearly kids but doesn't make what they are doing good. Nothing matters and ratings are lowest they have ever been but hey someone somewhere might like it so who cares. 

 

The problem with the house of horrors isn't that they done something different. It's the fact it was shit and had no purpose. And the match in the ring that followed was terrible. These are two top guys put on a stinker at Mania and followed up with something forgettable. Worst feud of the year.

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2 hours ago, When Jokers Attack said:

No but that is the live audience, the goal of a show should be to entertain those who paid to be there and get a positive reaction. 

Are the people who make the most noise representative of the crowd? Is entertaining those who turn up thinking they are cool in booing Reigns more important to entertain than those who don't chant at all? As I have said previously I think a small (but loud) minority has produced the worst crowds in WWE history.

 

2 hours ago, When Jokers Attack said:

WWE target audience is clearly kids but doesn't make what they are doing good. Nothing matters and ratings are lowest they have ever been but hey someone somewhere might like it so who cares. 

I think it's difficult for an adult who dislikes something, to put themselves in the mind of a kid and think differently. I suspect as a 12 year old I would have thought it pretty cool and at the same time be quickly bored by a 30 minute classic from New Japan. Maybe the best WWE can hope for is trying to give everyone something they like, accepting it also means they have something they don't.  I guess there is no magic bullet to increase ratings, however when/if they do increase, I suspect it will be because WWE have tried something different that worked, rather than better wrestling matches.

 

3 hours ago, When Jokers Attack said:

And the match in the ring that followed was terrible. These are two top guys put on a stinker at Mania and followed up with something forgettable. Worst feud of the year.

One thing i do agree with is the in ring part. It just didn't fit with the first part of the match. When it comes to forgettable, you could probably add every match on the ppv. Will anyone remember Joe v Rollins in a year? Whether you liked house of horrors or not, it was probably the only unforgettable thing on a Ppv of slightly extended raw matches.

[Andre91]

They should have Braun beat Brock for the title. There's plenty of time for him to win it back and face Reigns again at 'Mania. 

[luckysalt]

WWE didnt try something different with House of Horrors, they copied something TNA did last year, much like they have done many many times over the past 15 years of TNA's existent, including absolutely shitloads of storylines and as usual they did it worse. The main reason being WWE is an ENTERTAINMENT company not a WRESTLING company. If was far too pro shot, there were too many cuts of the surrounding area, it was absolutely fucking dreadful, so so bad, and Orton had a fucking beard in the house and was clean shaven at the arena, jesus. 

The whole thing reminded me of something from WCW. One of their awful attempts at a gimmick match.

And how fucking PG is dropping a fridge on top of someone anyway? 

Away from all that how hot was the crowd for Jericho v KO. Damn they were over. 

[luckysalt]

New post away from Payback.

X Pac.

So he no shows a UK show at the weekend, but is completely silent to everyone,

Then it turns out he's ok and not dead it is passed along.

Then he comes online and says he had some issues but he hasn't had a drug relapse, without even being question if thats the case

THEN it turns out he was arrested at the airport for possession of weed and meth! 

1- Why lie, 2- dickhead was coming over for ONE show, dude must be pretty fucking dependent if he can't have one weekend away. 

So yeah, needs to go rehab, then DDP yoga, then he's ok and..... in next years hall of fame. Seems to be the way they do things.

 

Seriously lets just look at Xpac for a second, he broke in when he was 20 straight on main roster, straight away taken under the wings of HBK and Razor who were two of the biggest abusers in the company, has 4 years of that, jumps over to WCW with Hall and Nash bringing him in, in the biggest faction going in nWo, gets fired by Bischoff when injured [which was bullshit reason] straight back to WWE in dx the other biggest faction going and now bigger than nWo at this point, has this for years, then falls out of the limelight in WWE, leaves, does a bit in TNA but keeps getting released due to being fucked, try's to kill himself, does a porno with Chyna, falls out with her and has a massive public slagging repeatedly, when she died he was the only one to not say anything about her and now we see this again, the dude has had a hard life and when you're on top for so long and partying all the time then all of a sudden its over, that must be hard, then his personal life is fucked. Shawn was lucky you know, he found a wife and she got him sorted out, but you look at Shawn now, its taken its tole hes fucked, that lifestyle has caught up with him bad and X pac, well, he ain't out of it yet. The smartest guy of the whole kliq was Nash[im not counting HHH], he did jack shit, saved his money and is clean. Thing is when you hear from Nash he's always saying these guys are fine, all his closest friends have nearly fucking died. 

I hope XPac gets the help he needs, if you haven't looked into the whole Hall story over the years, then wow he was SO close to dying and managed to rise above it, Waltman needs to too.

[A-Rob]

14 hours ago, When Jokers Attack said:

No but that is the live audience, the goal of a show should be to entertain those who paid to be there and get a positive reaction. Same with any form of live entertainment. I'm all for different things and catering to all types,  WWE target audience is clearly kids but doesn't make what they are doing good. Nothing matters and ratings are lowest they have ever been but hey someone somewhere might like it so who cares. 

True TV Ratings are at the lowest. But more people now watch WWE than 10-15 yrs ago especially internationally thanks to on line services, besides even in the US thanks to services like Hulu and other On Demand services more people have access to watch the TV shows when they desire. 

So I don't think in 2017 it's fair to say that viewership is at the lowest level based solely on  TV ratings,  because TV is getting obsolete.  Now there are more conventional ways to watch and would not be calculated with  the ratings. 

 

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31 minutes ago, A-Rob said:

True TV Ratings are at the lowest. But more people now watch WWE than 10-15 yrs ago especially internationally

 

I think thats one of the main reasons WWE are pushing Jinder and recruiting people from China.

[metallimuse]

I appreciate what you say Pink as as I was watching House of Horrors I was trying to think how I would of felt if I was an 8 year old watching it but, I dunno. For all the kids watching who beg their parents for merch and buy into those things it was just fucking terrible to watch for anyone over the age of 12. Would you really believe they beat each other up at some random house miles away and then drove to the arena?

Enjoyed the PPV as a whole though with everything up to then really good. Alexa Bliss is phenomenal and I'm gutted her and Charlotte aren't on the same brand as I'd love to see them in a storyline together.

[When Jokers Attack]

NJPW are going back to Okada vs Omega as expected. I think he will win this time so he can be champion going into their debut show in the states in July. Don't think he will keep it long though. Okada will regain it in the rubber match.

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21 hours ago, luckysalt said:

WWE didnt try something different with House of Horrors, they copied something TNA did last year

Or they copied their own idea from piper v Goldust at wrestlemania 12, or maybe the writer is a horror fan and copied the ideas from a film. In less you sit in a booking meeting, it's difficult to know who copied what from where.

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4 hours ago, metallimuse said:

I appreciate what you say Pink as as I was watching House of Horrors I was trying to think how I would of felt if I was an 8 year old watching it but, I dunno. For all the kids watching who beg their parents for merch and buy into those things it was just fucking terrible to watch for anyone over the age of 12. Would you really believe they beat each other up at some random house miles away and then drove to the arena?

I agree with what they said on the JR podcast that haters were always going to hate. Both him and the guest thought the match was fine, as did I. It kept my interest far more than joe v Rollins which just looked like a standard raw match.

I think when it comes to internet fans and the more vocal fans in a WWE crowd match quality is generally the main thing that they look for. If you're looking for workrate then a house of horrors match done through a WWE filter won't be your thing, which is fine because it would be boring if everyone liked the same thing. I however feel people may be making the mistake of assuming that most adults disliked it based on internet reviews and jeers from a crowd. I suspect there is a whole range of opinions with many on both sides and in the middle.

As for the believability of it, I know (like the matches) is scripted and just go with it. Theres been a load of unbelievable entertainment in the company over the years.

[luckysalt]

Went to Fight Club Pro last night, ain't gunna go in depth but, Jordan Devlin made his debut there and have to say he was much better when I saw him on the UK Title Tournament and boy he got some heat for a new guy coming in, not quite CCK heat who got the most heat of the night but he got it. 

As always, I recommend you watch the show when its available online, or hell even get down to a show sometime, they just moved to a bigger venue, this was the first show there. So pleased they're doing so well. 

[jump]

I like the idea but c'mon, Jinder as a champ?!?!

[WS_Jack_III]

2 hours ago, jump said:

I like the idea but c'mon, Jinder as a champ?!?!

Jinder vs Rusev at MITB?

 

I'll take it if they shift the belt on to Rusev.

Edited May 22, 2017 by WS_Jack_III

[jump]

3 hours ago, WS_Jack_III said:

Jinder vs Rusev at MITB?

 

I'll take it if they shift the belt on to Rusev.

Apparently the WWE Sep India tour is being advertised with Jinder defending the title...

Rusev is a heel so I can't see a match there but my guess would be Sami next.

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38 minutes ago, jump said:

Apparently the WWE Sep India tour is being advertised with Jinder defending the title...

Rusev is a heel so I can't see a match there but my guess would be Sami next.

I let my network subscription lapse but jinder as champion shakes things up so I may go back.

I personally think it's great that there are routes for people to move up the card and people aren't stuck in a defined position in the card from day 1.

I think they will turn rusev face and he will excel in that role. Zayn just isn't world champion material in my view.

[Andre91]

I love it. It's something completely new and different. It can't hurt but to give the guy a run and see how it goes. God knows that's got to be better than extending another pointless Blandy Boreton title run. 

Rusev will turn face after he returns, I think. 

Feel free to shoot me down, but I can see Cena returning to challenge Jinder and Jinder going over. 

[WS_Jack_III]

3 hours ago, jump said:

Apparently the WWE Sep India tour is being advertised with Jinder defending the title...

Rusev is a heel so I can't see a match there but my guess would be Sami next.

Make him face, he'll be great. Christ, so he's holding the belt for 4 months at least

2 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

I let my network subscription lapse but jinder as champion shakes things up so I may go back.

I personally think it's great that there are routes for people to move up the card and people aren't stuck in a defined position in the card from day 1.

I think they will turn rusev face and he will excel in that role. Zayn just isn't world champion material in my view.

Problem is Jinder was jobbing until about a month ago and them all of a sudden he is Champ.

[When Jokers Attack]

ROH, NJPW, CMLL and Rev Pro doing a joint UK tour. Not missing out on the Edinburgh date.