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24 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Agreed, the question is can you name a male on the roster that's a better all round package than Charlotte?

That is going to take a lot of though. But initially, nobody is even close. She is absolutely special in every way. She should go down as a bloody dynasty by the time she has retired. 

Her athleticism is unmatched, her promo skills are of the highest level and she just had a presence. It can not be argued in any way. She is extraordinary. 

I'm not even a fan of her, overly. 

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44 minutes ago, Andre91 said:

She's a better promo, that's for sure. 

 

Her matches aren't even in the same realm though. Sure she has fantastic matches, but all her fantastic matches are with Bayley or Sasha Banks. Even with these two, sometimes the match is average at best. She isn't consistantly putting out 4+ star matches. Her feud with Banks was providing with top quality matches but none of the matches with Bayley or anything she does on RAW has been memorable. Average at best. The mania match too, if you are going to say she is the best in the company then you need to delivering a higher match quality ratio than the likes of AJ Styles, John Cena, Roman Reigns and Kevin Owens.  Cena and Owens are a better promo than her IMO and have better matches. 

I'm not saying she isn't great, she is, I'm a huge fan but she isn't the best all around performer in the company. I guess it's what you consider more valuable, for me you have to look at everything and break it down. In the last year, outside of a series of matches with Sasha Banks, what top quality matches has she had? Compare that to AJ who kills it every night and has never had a bad match.

 

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1 hour ago, When Jokers Attack said:

Her matches aren't even in the same realm though. Sure she has fantastic matches, but all her fantastic matches are with Bayley or Sasha Banks. Even with these two, sometimes the match is average at best. She isn't consistantly putting out 4+ star matches. Her feud with Banks was providing with top quality matches but none of the matches with Bayley or anything she does on RAW has been memorable. Average at best. The mania match too, if you are going to say she is the best in the company then you need to delivering a higher match quality ratio than the likes of AJ Styles, John Cena, Roman Reigns and Kevin Owens.  Cena and Owens are a better promo than her IMO and have better matches. 

I'm not saying she isn't great, she is, I'm a huge fan but she isn't the best all around performer in the company. I guess it's what you consider more valuable, for me you have to look at everything and break it down. In the last year, outside of a series of matches with Sasha Banks, what top quality matches has she had? Compare that to AJ who kills it every night and has never had a bad match.

 

It's swings and roundabouts. Someone like Styles is a better worker, but doesn't excel on the mic, or in terms of charisma. Charlotte has a swagger that she just comes across as a star.

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Having watched AJ the entire TNA run, AJ can promo, his promo work recently has been great, hell AJ could promo back in TNA though, when he was with Kurt and Karen, as Prince of Phenomenal he was awesome but yeah it hasn't been consistent but that was due to character booking in TNA.

But AJ has been a constant top level guy in work rate in the ring for over a decade.

So no, Charlotte isn't better. 

What she is is the highlight of Raw every single week and has been since the split. She needs no Ric with her to get her over she needs nothing, she's at the top of her game and only going to get better, Bayley looks like complete garbage next to her, they really should put Bayley onto Smackdown because shit looks shit in comparison and Sasha because there's nowhere for her to go with Charlotte being there. Bring over Becky to Raw and Bliss, Bliss can stay heel and turn Jax face which I see happening, shes doing all this social media pride in herself and how she looks, would be daft to keep her as heel right now.

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1 hour ago, luckysalt said:

Having watched AJ the entire TNA run, AJ can promo, his promo work recently has been great

 

I have seen great on the mic from the likes of Hogan, savage, Austin, rock, savage, flair etc and knowing what great is, Styles is far from being great. However that's not to say he is terrible either, he is generally fine. His place on the card is purely down to his workrate, without that he isn't strong enough at anything else to excel.

 

1 hour ago, luckysalt said:

 

So no, Charlotte isn't better.

She is better at some things and worse at others. If I wanted to watch a match I would choose AJ, if I ran a big company and could only employ one I would choose Charlotte as I think there is more money to be made from her.

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25 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

Hopefully it leaves a door open for JR to take his deserved position on a weekly show.

This is what I thought when it was first reported JR was coming back to WWE. 

 

Sounds like the old school wrestling mentality didn't help Mauro along with his mental health issues. JBL reportedly back to his old tricks.

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1 minute ago, WS_Jack_III said:

This is what I thought when it was first reported JR was coming back to WWE. 

 

Sounds like the old school wrestling mentality didn't help Mauro along with his mental health issues. JBL reportedly back to his old tricks.

Ranallo is good at his job, but the WWE grind might not be the best for him. 

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