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[Andeeroo]

Technically, I'd agree that he's good but I think he lacks an x-factor that sets him apart.

Except for Joe at the most recent Takeover, I don't think I've ever truly believed he was going to lose a match. I don't think he's that great at selling jeopardy which affects his matches and the storytelling of them.

That is probably down to his position as the top dog in NXT though I suppose.

I forgot what my point was but meh...we'll see what happens. I hope he wins me over!

[CHRLY]

 

[pink_triangle]

On 4/21/2016 at 11:13 AM, jump said:

Sunny went off the rails after her hall of fame induction I think.

Yeah, with her dead it'll be easier for her to get into the Hall since Trips and co wont have to meet her and avoid the inevitable argy bargy, apparently Stephanie has been tweeting her respects if thats a sign.

 

I think wwe care about the credibility of the thing and probably inducting her is the easiest way to stop the constant speculation.

If they are going to induct one female a year, they can maybe get away with inducting sable and miss Elizabeth before her. However if they are putting the likes of mickie James, ivory and victoria in preference it starts to look silly.

Will be interesting to see who inducts her. The obvious choices are either her ex boyfriend or dead! Maybe someone like roaddog, Jericho or ivory 

[jump]

2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

The jungle book (2016) - 9/10

Fantastic remake.  Kids and adults all loved it. 

Suffragettes - 7/10 

Wrong thread?

[The Nal]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

Will be interesting to see who inducts her. The obvious choices are either her ex boyfriend or dead! Maybe someone like roaddog, Jericho or ivory 

Waltman, HBK, Shane?

Im not sure theyll put her in. Pornstars in the hall of fame?! Dunno.

[luckysalt]

21 hours ago, The Nal said:

Waltman, HBK, Shane?

Im not sure theyll put her in. Pornstars in the hall of fame?! Dunno.

Waltman absolutely HATES her, they had a legal case going between them I believe and she accused him of something he said he never did. Notice he's not said a word on twitter in a week, when he's usually very vocal. Hasn't paid any respects to her passing. Trust me, there was very, VERY, VERY bad blood between them.

[pink_triangle]

21 hours ago, The Nal said:

Waltman, HBK, Shane?

Im not sure theyll put her in. Pornstars in the hall of fame?! Dunno.

Wasn't x pac in a couple of films as well? I'm sure he will go in one day and it would be complete double standards to say its ok for males and not females. I think when they put her in it gets nipped in the bud quickly.

[metallimuse]

1 minute ago, pink_triangle said:

Wasn't x pac in a couple of films as well? I'm sure he will go in one day and it would be complete double standards to say its ok for males and not females. I think when they put her in it gets nipped in the bud quickly.

I think the difference being he didn't willingly shoot a film with the goal of releasing a film.

[CHRLY]

I enjoyed last night. A masterclass from Kevin Owens. 

[When Jokers Attack]

2 hours ago, CHRLY said:

I enjoyed last night. A masterclass from Kevin Owens. 

 

And AJ Styles.

Decent PPV I thought but McMahon angle was awful and so was Natalya/Charlotte finish.

Anyone watch Camp WWE? Pretty bad but I'll keep watching it because it is so stupid.

[jump]

The 2 matches I was looking forward to the most were the tag match and the Women's match so it was a let down for me but at least Ambrose got a win for once and Owens vs Sami was decent.

 

Also I found out the Undertaker didn't go on the Euro tour because he was afraid of a terrorist  attack.

[pink_triangle]

12 hours ago, When Jokers Attack said:

 

And AJ Styles.

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And Roman Reigns. I know its fashionable not to like him, but to me he delivers in pretty much every one of these main events and its not all down to his opponents as some may suggest.

It was a decent PPV, sad for Enzo as he is one of the best things about the current product in my view.  Still feel some of the things that they do are so misjudged. An example when they put Kevin Owens on commentary and he then starts going after Cole and Saxton. Do people (whether it be the writers or Owens) think this will get him over as heels.  These commentators (unlike someone like JR) are not over as babyfaces, so its not going to work.

Also sad to say but Jericho and Vince are still the best performers they have and its not 2000 anymore!

[A-Rob]

43 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

And Roman Reigns. I know its fashionable not to like him, but to me he delivers in pretty much every one of these main events and its not all down to his opponents as some may suggest.

 

 

Totally agree, I sincerely believed he delivered once again.

On the other hand Dean Ambrose failed to deliver again, slightly better performance than mania however still not main event material. Those 'smarks' who believe Ambrose should be heading instead of Roman, clearly don't understand wrestling and simply hate Reigns because it's cool to hate Reigns.  

On a side note, Kevin Owens was gold on commentary.

 

Edited May 3, 2016 by A-Rob

[CHRLY]

I don't hate Roman at all, I actually quite like him. But is he *The* Guy? 

I agree that Dean is becoming stale to a degree, but he hasn't really been helped in the way he's been booked either. Also at least him and Seth have become their own thing since the shield split. Roman *is* The Shield still. Same music. Same attire. I'm bored of his matches, he took, what, five Phenomenal forearms on Sunday? A move that's been able to finish off so many others. And his mic skills are undeniably bad, even when he can cut a coherent promo it's the same thing every week; "not a bad guy, not a good guy, THE GUY". Guy's just a bore. 

[luckysalt]

Reigns is just Cena mark 2. Thats it.

Ambrose can have a great match if its right, but lets face it, he's been booked poor and he's facing a stale as fuck Jericho. 

We've all said it but Jericho, Kane, Big Show all been on our tv since the 90's. Why is Jericho even on the 'new era' PPV.

Ambrose v Rollins on PPV last year was one of the MOTY for me. 

 

[luckysalt]

Oh so looks like it could be Ryback who's leaving WWE. Maybe this was the guy who was rumoured as the second guy after Barrett leaving in summer.

[A-Rob]

I agree on Jericho he's was one my favourite wrestlers of the 90s/00s but now he have become stale.

Amborse can have a good match or two, but is he main event material that can carry the company ?? I don't think so. I believe Kevin Owens, Cesaro and even Bray Wyatt if booked right can become better main eventers. 

 

[Andre91]

Jericho absolutely cracks me up something ridiculous with his, "STUPID IDIOT!" and "YOU'RE A STUPID MAN!" screeches  I find it WAY funnier than I think anyone should. 

 

[pink_triangle]

54 minutes ago, CHRLY said:

I don't hate Roman at all, I actually quite like him. But is he *The* Guy? 

I agree that Dean is becoming stale to a degree, but he hasn't really been helped in the way he's been booked either. Also at least him and Seth have become their own thing since the shield split. Roman *is* The Shield still. Same music. Same attire. I'm bored of his matches, he took, what, five Phenomenal forearms on Sunday? A move that's been able to finish off so many others. And his mic skills are undeniably bad, even when he can cut a coherent promo it's the same thing every week; "not a bad guy, not a good guy, THE GUY". Guy's just a bore. 

I think as a main eventer his big matches has been as good as anyone in the last year.  I think a lot of people have just decided they wont like him because they dont want to follow the crowd, yet by booing him for the sake of it they are following the crowd just as much. He may not be a great technician, but I dont think you need to be to have entertaining matches

23 minutes ago, luckysalt said:

Reigns is just Cena mark 2. Thats it.

Ambrose can have a great match if its right, but lets face it, he's been booked poor and he's facing a stale as fuck Jericho. 

We've all said it but Jericho, Kane, Big Show all been on our tv since the 90's. Why is Jericho even on the 'new era' PPV.

Ambrose v Rollins on PPV last year was one of the MOTY for me. 

 

I couldnt disagree more about Jericho. Despite being past his peak, he still shows up the current roster on a regular basis. He blows nearly everyone away in terms of promo skills, he has a far better understanding of psychology than most of the roster and doesnt just do moves for the sake of moves.  He also understands the difference between being a heel and babyface and the subtle changes necessary.  If I run a company he is someone I want my roster studying and learning from.

7 minutes ago, A-Rob said:

I agree on Jericho he's was one my favourite wrestlers of the 90s/00s but now he have become stale.

Amborse can have a good match or two, but is he main event material that can carry the company ?? I don't think so. I believe Kevin Owens, Cesaro and even Bray Wyatt if booked right can become better main eventers. 

 

I agree Ambrose lacks the x factor to be a main eventer. Talking about Cesaro I think Miz is the perfect opponent in terms of highlighting his strengths and hiding his weaknesses. Their match wasnt meant to steal the show, but I really enjoyed it for what it was. I perosnally think combining it with the Zayn and Owen feud is a waste. To me the money is in the Cesaro chase.

[When Jokers Attack]

4 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

And Roman Reigns. I know its fashionable not to like him, but to me he delivers in pretty much every one of these main events and its not all down to his opponents as some may suggest.

It was a decent PPV, sad for Enzo as he is one of the best things about the current product in my view.  Still feel some of the things that they do are so misjudged. An example when they put Kevin Owens on commentary and he then starts going after Cole and Saxton. Do people (whether it be the writers or Owens) think this will get him over as heels.  These commentators (unlike someone like JR) are not over as babyfaces, so its not going to work.

Also sad to say but Jericho and Vince are still the best performers they have and its not 2000 anymore!

Styles shined a lot more in Reigns in that match but I agree, Reigns does deliver in big matches. I'm not a hater, I just don't care about him.

Jericho is the best heel performer in the company but not his in ring work, he has clearly lost a step and is trying to work like it's 2006 and not 2016. Still very good but tone down his high flying offense and slow down his matches IMO.

[jump]

Reigns doesn't work as a character, when he was destroying everything in his path in the Shield he was able to get cheers but they don't have him do it that one thing anymore. They've tried cheap pops like rescuing Ambrose and going over the popular babayfaces to get him liked and it's not worked, they've also used up most of the heels on him too, he's fucked with nowhere to go in this new era unless he goes heel which they wont.

[pink_triangle]

17 minutes ago, When Jokers Attack said:

Styles shined a lot more in Reigns in that match but I agree, Reigns does deliver in big matches. I'm not a hater, I just don't care about him.

Jericho is the best heel performer in the company but not his in ring work, he has clearly lost a step and is trying to work like it's 2006 and not 2016. Still very good but tone down his high flying offense and slow down his matches IMO.

It depends how you define "shine". Styles can undoubtedly do more moves and do them better. Reigns is a lesser (yet still competent enough) worker, but I think is more charismatic than Styles and communicates better through non wrestling eg facial expressions/body language.  Part of being the WWE main eventer is making someone believable as world champion. To me Reigns carries himself like a champion, AJ styles looks like a man you would bump into on the street. There is a place for both on the roster, but I dont think advancement up the ladder should be based purely on wrestling ability.

As for Jericho working like its 2006 then I think thats a good idea. I think younger wrestlers matches are too fast paced, look too choreographed, lack any understanding of psychology or the art of selling.  Theres very few who couldnt learn from Jericho.

4 minutes ago, jump said:

Reigns doesn't work as a character, when he was destroying everything in his path in the Shield he was able to get cheers but they don't have him do it that one thing anymore. They've tried cheap pops like rescuing Ambrose and going over the popular babayfaces to get him liked and it's not worked, they've also used up most of the heels on him too, he's fucked with nowhere to go in this new era unless he goes heel which they wont.

I think if they took the belt off Reigns and gave it to Rollins or Ambrose it would make zero impact on ratings.  So while it could be said Reigns isnt working, Im strugglng to see what would work better.  I personally like the Reigns/Styles combination and hope they go with it for a few months.

[When Jokers Attack]

14 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

lol  I was wondering where that post went   Sorry guys...  Didn't want to interrupt you all talking about guys in underpants all getting up close and personal with each other  

I mean seriously guys!  Are you all like eight year old still   

Says the guy who watched The Jungle Book

[jump]

43 minutes ago, pink_triangle said:

It depends how you define "shine". Styles can undoubtedly do more moves and do them better. Reigns is a lesser (yet still competent enough) worker, but I think is more charismatic than Styles and communicates better through non wrestling eg facial expressions/body language.  Part of being the WWE main eventer is making someone believable as world champion. To me Reigns carries himself like a champion, AJ styles looks like a man you would bump into on the street. There is a place for both on the roster, but I dont think advancement up the ladder should be based purely on wrestling ability.

As for Jericho working like its 2006 then I think thats a good idea. I think younger wrestlers matches are too fast paced, look too choreographed, lack any understanding of psychology or the art of selling.  Theres very few who couldnt learn from Jericho.

I think if they took the belt off Reigns and gave it to Rollins or Ambrose it would make zero impact on ratings.  So while it could be said Reigns isnt working, Im strugglng to see what would work better.  I personally like the Reigns/Styles combination and hope they go with it for a few months.

Nothing will make a difference to ratings as it's a poor product overall, it doesn't work as sports entertainment as it's filled with crap characters and weak angles and until either it focuses on the wrestling or actually deliver on the sports entertainment it will still be shit. Reigns is a product of that, no personality with no angle and does ok as long he's partnered with someone decent. Luckily they have the bullet club for him to play with at the moment which will distract people from Reigns whilst keeping him in the centre. Just turn him heel or have him go out and destroy, that's the only use for him.

Could you imagine in the 80s with Hogan, the 90s with Stone Cold and The Rock or Cena in 00s their big catchphrase would be I'm guy? 

 

[CHRLY]

4 hours ago, Andre91 said:

Jericho absolutely cracks me up something ridiculous with his, "STUPID IDIOT!" and "YOU'RE A STUPID MAN!" screeches  I find it WAY funnier than I think anyone should. 

 

You know it. My highlight of Raw in London, so funny.