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#61 Fareham Grecian

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:22 PM

p.s. that was a shite analogy, and i still think that classes as circumstantial evidence, but hey, lets not fall out over this otherwise the scientologists win ;)


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#62 End of the Road

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 05:43 PM

EOTR and Scientology

There have been suggestions on forums that End of the Road Festival may have some connection to the Church of Scientology. This arose after the efestivals founder was sent an anonymous letter. It’s quite likely that the same person sent similar letters to the music and general press.

Two of the directors are scientologists. The remaining directors and management are not.

End of the Road has no connection with the Church of Scientology, financial or otherwise. None.

In any case, philosophical inclinations are personal and have nothing to do with a music festival. Anyone who has been to an End of the Road Festival will already know that.

For the record, EOTR did make big losses in the first two years. They were all financed by the owners and those friends who could be persuaded to lend us money. The festival is now in good financial shape, the loans are repaid and the profit made in 2011 is being invested in a new festival.

The anonymous correspondent ought to get out more.


#63 Infinite Jest

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:34 PM

Well said, I agree 100% with this "In any case, philosophical inclinations are personal and have nothing to do with a music festival". Great to hear that the loans have been repaid and the finances are in good shape, too. (Now, is it June yet? ;))

Edited by Infinite Jest, 01 February 2012 - 08:34 PM.


#64 Ed209

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:53 PM

I for one can completely believe that the Church of Scientology has absolutely no involvement whatsoever in a festival run by scientologists and whose office is located within a mile of the UK scientology headquarters.

Secret, behind curtain, operations really isn't their thing at all.

#65 Sipperana

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:02 PM

I remain very, very concerned. I understand the Scientology Church has a program under which subliminal messages are transmitted via a series of antennae, which can be disguised to look like something as ordinary as rotary washing lines; little energy is required to produce a signal, and apparently sufficient power can be generated by something as mundane as pedalling. Did anyone see anything like that last year?

That says volumes for Scientology, as it was broken by Friday.

I'm frankly far more concerned about the sort of people who spend inordinate amounts of time doing all this research to attempt to discredit a festival that may or may not have connections to some religion or other, than to the alleged connections. I'd like to think I have enough about me to resist any attmepts to recruit me.

#66 Sipperana

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:05 PM

If, as I understand from very reliable sources it will be, at the next act announcement it is confirmed that Simon & Garfunkel, Joe Simon, Carly Simon, Simon Dupree & The Big Sound and Simone Felice will be playing, with We Are Scientologists as Sunday night headliners, that'll be the clincher.

If they also get Simon Evans, Simon Day and Simon Munnery for the comedy stage I'll start getting suspicious.

#67 Infinite Jest

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:46 PM

I for one can completely believe that the Church of Scientology has absolutely no involvement whatsoever in a festival run by scientologists and whose office is located within a mile of the UK scientology headquarters.

Secret, behind curtain, operations really isn't their thing at all.


Why do you care? I've never seen you post in this forum until now.

And it was 'directors of the festival' that are Scientologists, not the people who run it.

Edited by Infinite Jest, 01 February 2012 - 09:48 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:55 PM

So EotR has been set up, run at initially heavy losses, and sustained for however many years it has run, all to get some dodgy mates to play a crap set?! It seems a very long winded way of getting a couple of hundred pounds to me!


I wasn't making a serious point, simply saying that it was an intriguing conspiracy theory - a spectacular explanation for a bemusingly woeful set from a completely unknown and seemingly untraceable band!

Anyway, it's good to see a swift response from EOTR on this.

Anon's can be an overzealous bunch, and the anti-scientology movement seems to frequently lurch into crass prejudice rather than any kind of moral protest.

Regarding "In any case, philosophical inclinations are personal and have nothing to do with a music festival":

The important distinction seems to lie within the intention with which the event is staged. The directors/organisers/managers/bar staff/whatever simply being Scientologists, Catholics, Buddhists, Humanists, socialists, vegetarians, feminists, solipsists etc. can all be of no relevance; or, if the express intention is to spread that doctrine/funnel profit into that institution/cause, highly relevant. Pedal powered washing line antenna and the dianetic tests I saw conducted in the woods throughout the night last year aside, I think it's fairly obvious EOTR falls into the former camp. In such case, any attempted smear based on the beliefs of anyone involved at any level would amount to prejudice.

Roll on tomorrow's NDH announcement :D

Edited by Jeddon, 01 February 2012 - 09:55 PM.


#69 Ed209

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:31 PM

Why do you care? I've never seen you post in this forum until now.


Because cults like scientology really piss me off

But to be honest, I really don't care. I'm just bored at work and enjoy a bit of a wind up

Don't worry though, I'll return to my lair and leave you all to talk about what fun you'll have at scientologyfest 2012

#70 ElGanzo

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 11:25 PM

Hmmmm, I'm an atheist and fairly anti-religion but I've lost a lot of respect for Anonymous over this. Excellent statement from End of the Road, but it's hugely disrespectful towards the directors of the festival to essentially force them to come out and declare their religion in this way. If they wished to keep their religion private and separate from the festival they should have been allowed to do so. If they were Church of England or Catholic would they have been expected to come out with such a statement?

#71 geofelgie

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:18 AM

If they were Church of England or Catholic would they have been expected to come out with such a statement?


Fuck, if they were church of england I'd be the first with the tar and feathers.....those bastards are really fucking weird and they stole, like, billions and billions of pounds worth of land from the english people, they've never paid a penny in tax, they harboured paedophiles for generations, and they've lied to their own congregation for centuries, somehow convincing them that the Church of England isn't a catholic church when it quite clearly is.

Thank fuck they're only scientologists, that's what I say!

#72 Infinite Jest

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:34 AM

Because cults like scientology really piss me off...


I'm not a particular fan of them either, but the fact that some people connected to the company that runs the festival are scientologists doesn't really concern me either way.

Don't worry though, I'll return to my lair and leave you all to talk about what fun you'll have at scientologyfest 2012


It's the best festival with the best bands and the best people, so yeah, it will be fun ... :)

#73 riverlodge

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:44 AM

right, so its okay for me to keep my earlybird ticket - or haven't i kept up properly?

#74 Fareham Grecian

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 01:22 PM

right, so its okay for me to keep my earlybird ticket - or haven't i kept up properly?


No, no, no. You have to give it to me :bye:

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 02:39 PM

I love End of the Road; I pretty much despise Scientology.

This affair doesn't make me change my views of the festival one bit. It'd be hard to find an organisation that wasn't owned or organised by people who followed a religion or philosophy that I didn't view as a shameful scam, since most religions are exactly that. I don't wholly agree with the point that "philosophical inclinations are personal and have nothing to do with a music festival", however - but can't state clearly why without overtly invoking Godwin's Law.


I think it's important to say that the festival has always been quite open about having made losses in its first two years.

#76 Fareham Grecian

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 03:57 PM

I love End of the Road; I pretty much despise Scientology.

This affair doesn't make me change my views of the festival one bit. It'd be hard to find an organisation that wasn't owned or organised by people who followed a religion or philosophy that I didn't view as a shameful scam, since most religions are exactly that. I don't wholly agree with the point that "philosophical inclinations are personal and have nothing to do with a music festival", however - but can't state clearly why without overtly invoking Godwin's Law.


I think it's important to say that the festival has always been quite open about having made losses in its first two years.


^^^^^^^ That.

#77 paulwa

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 04:14 PM

So who's going to print up the "We're all Scientologists now" t-shirts ready for September? :D

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 05:31 PM

Find this whole thing rather bizarre really. How could someone be bothered to write anonymous letters, and I kinda wonder why anyone would care who the festival was run by (in regards to religion), and I kinda wonder why EOTR justified it with a response too.

#79 Sipperana

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Posted 02 February 2012 - 09:10 PM

Hmmmm, I'm an atheist and fairly anti-religion but I've lost a lot of respect for Anonymous over this.


You mean you had respect for Anonymous to begin with?

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Posted 03 February 2012 - 05:03 PM

Every year I've been - 4 ? 5? years - they have had an homeopathy van which I believe to be a load of un-scientific tosh. Does that mean I don't want to go just because of their presence there, or because it potentially shows that the organiisers believe in it? Not at all - each to their own beliefs, so long as 'signing up' is not a requuirement for attendance!!