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[mrtourette]

Vieuphoria, on 03 February 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

The Cure are timeless, and have a national treasure vibe to them. Everyone knows at least 5 songs.

Well this is clearly not true, unless all the people posting to say that they don't are lying.

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The Cure still sell out arenas worldwide, and are headlining every festival they are playing this year.

What they do worldwide doesn't really matter, and of course they're headlining every festival they're playing because if they don't headline then they don't play. Why do you think they haven't played at a major UK festival for years and years.

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They are the fucking Cure.

This is correct.

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Vieuphoria, on 03 February 2012 - 12:00 PM, said:

The Cure are timeless, and have a national treasure vibe to them. Everyone knows at least 5 songs.
Everyone Knows Friday i'm in love (Its even on the video for that fucking Rebbecca black song)
But don't edge your bets on people naming more than that song

[Vieuphoria]

TYLER_4, on 03 February 2012 - 12:02 PM, said:

I have to disagree i dont think they are a headliner that fits in with the R&L target audience. + bestival headliner does not = reading headliner. IMO of course...

In what way don't they fit?

gazza_20, on 03 February 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

This.

They sold out their Royal Albert Hall gig with Standing Tickets at £100 a piece I believe with no problem at all.

If R&L get Foo's, Kasabian and The Cure, they'll have secured the headliners of the summer for a festival. I'm not a big Kasabian fan but I can't deny their position and I'll watch half and watch half one someone else.

Very easily. I tried getting tickets. Had 3 phones on the go and was in a queue of about 30,000 each time. I didn't get tickets.  They are an incredibly in demand band, that people for some reason seem to underestimate.

If The Cure, Kasabian and Foo Fighers were the headliners.... That is an incredible bunch of headliners. Varied in style and era, and incredibly popular all three. Would be a fantastic booking.

mrtourette, on 03 February 2012 - 12:35 PM, said:

Well this is clearly not true, unless all the people posting to say that they don't are lying.


What they do worldwide doesn't really matter, and of course they're headlining every festival they're playing because if they don't headline then they don't play. Why do you think they haven't played at a major UK festival for years and years.


This is correct.

You're telling me a music fan who grew up in England doesn't know The Lovecats? Just Like Heaven? Friday I'm In Love? Boys Don't Cry? Close To Me?  Most people in this country has heard these songs. The fact that Pulp and Madness outdrew and outperformed the headliners last year proves that timeless national treasures always trump My Chemical Romance.

[mrtourette]

Vieuphoria, on 03 February 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

You're telling me a music fan who grew up in England doesn't know The Lovecats? Just Like Heaven? Friday I'm In Love? Boys Don't Cry? Close To Me?  Most people in this country has heard these songs. The fact that Pulp and Madness outdrew and outperformed the headliners last year proves that timeless national treasures always trump My Chemical Romance.

Lucky then that MCR aren't headlining this year.

Unless a number of people that have posted here over the last day are lying, then yes there are music fans who attend R&L that don't know five songs by The Cure. You said everyone at first and now you're saying most people, keep going in that direction, I think it's probably less than half the people that attended R&L last year that would be able to name five songs by them.

Also Pulp were a headliner, and did Madness really outdraw and outperform Muse?

If The Cure headlined and Bloc Party subbed someone else it would be interesting to see the size of the crowds, I bet it'd be a lot closer than you think. National treasure doesn't always trump the young upstarts.

Edited by mrtourette, 03 February 2012 - 12:59 PM.

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R&L are unlike other fests though in the fact that they'll always get a decent number of young customers who'll buy tickets regardless who's playing, just because it's a post-exam blow out. The rest of the tickets are snapped up by the normal festie goers who'll check other line-ups & decide which fest to opt for. Last year they didn't sell quickly due to the lack of drawing power of Pulp & My Chemical Romance to the casual attendee. The Cure will shift a shedload of day tickets so it's a safe booking to appeal to those people who wont just buty a ticket because it's Reading/Leeds.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

The fact is, if The Cure headline, it saves this years line-up. Ignoring personal taste, at the moment, the two headliners are massively massively lazy and uninspired. As i've said, fair play to FR for giving Kasabian a headline slot, but it's not really much of  a redeeming credit.

[gazza_20]

mrtourette, on 03 February 2012 - 12:58 PM, said:

Lucky then that MCR aren't headlining this year.

Unless a number of people that have posted here over the last day are lying, then yes there are music fans who attend R&L that don't know five songs by The Cure. You said everyone at first and now you're saying most people, keep going in that direction, I think it's probably less than half the people that attended R&L last year that would be able to name five songs by them.

Also Pulp were a headliner, and did Madness really outdraw and outperform Muse?

If The Cure headlined and Bloc Party subbed someone else it would be interesting to see the size of the crowds, I bet it'd be a lot closer than you think. National treasure doesn't always trump the young upstarts.

Bloc Party's crowd would be bigger but if The Cure headline they'll sort the NME header and FR header to even the crowd. AF got their chance and people who saw were amazed and now they are huge, MCR got a chance and impressed a lot of doubters.

R&L needs a band that said this is THE fest to attend and for many The Cure do this, especially as they only played Bestval here last year did they not? And it was been said about the cost of getting to Bestival.

If we got.

The Cure

Chase and Status


Kasabian

The Maccabees


Foo's

TDCC


I don't see how it won't sell out. R&L after having trouble last year were always going to go with crowd pleaser and if you like the predictable bands but they sell tickets.

[beau1]

The Cure have just been confirmed for Frequency Festival in Austria on the 18th August, so that throws out the theory that they won't be playing later summer.

[gazza_20]

beau1, on 03 February 2012 - 01:37 PM, said:

The Cure have just been confirmed for Frequency Festival in Austria on the 18th August, so that throws out the theory that they won't be playing later summer.

Thought you were guna say that throws out the theory they could play R&L and dash my hopes then lol.

But does that make it more chance?

[eFestivals]

gazza_20, on 03 February 2012 - 12:03 PM, said:

This.

They sold out their Royal Albert Hall gig with Standing Tickets at £100 a piece I believe with no problem at all.

which is a relatively small venue, and they only do a show there and nowhere else till the next year.

There's a big difference between selling out the occasional small show to your hardcore fans and being able to sell out a festival. The Cure are not the huge draw that a sell-out like that might suggest.

All that aside I think they're a decent booking for R/L and won't cause it to sell slowly.

Edited by eFestivals, 03 February 2012 - 02:12 PM.

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Vieuphoria, on 03 February 2012 - 12:49 PM, said:

You're telling me a music fan who grew up in England doesn't know The Lovecats? Just Like Heaven? Friday I'm In Love? Boys Don't Cry? Close To Me?  Most people in this country has heard these songs.

There is a difference between having heard of the song and being able to recognise it as being by the Cure.

[gazza_20]

eFestivals, on 03 February 2012 - 02:11 PM, said:

which is a relatively small venue, and they only do a show there and nowhere else till the next year.

There's a big difference between selling out the occasional small show to your hardcore fans and being able to sell out a festival. The Cure are not the huge draw that a sell-out like that might suggest.

All that aside I think they're a decent booking for R/L and won't cause it to sell slowly.

Ah yes, i think The Cure are the band that adds something different from the bands that are recycled through the fests shall we say?

I think you have your fest sell outs in Foo Fighters and Kasabian or mostly.

I think there is still an old enough crowd in parts that won't be bothered so much by Kasabian, they'll have seen Foo's over and over but The Cure will stick out.

I know it's not the biggest venue, 10k ish? But for the price tickets were going for they were snapped up very well and I have nothing to say this is true but I'd hazard a guess if it was a bigger venue, they'd have gone too. It wasn't a case of get on easily by all accounts, there were huge queues for them and many who missed out, phone lines jammed the lot and at a £100 for a satanding ticket for a top price ticket at £125 i think? That's good going.

[eFestivals]

gazza_20, on 03 February 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

I know it's not the biggest venue, 10k ish?

about half that - around 5,000.

gazza_20, on 03 February 2012 - 02:31 PM, said:

But for the price tickets were going for they were snapped up very well and I have nothing to say this is true but I'd hazard a guess if it was a bigger venue, they'd have gone too. It wasn't a case of get on easily by all accounts, there were huge queues for them and many who missed out, phone lines jammed the lot and at a £100 for a satanding ticket for a top price ticket at £125 i think? That's good going.

Selling a very occasional show to your hardcore of fans is pretty easy when you have the sorts of cultish fans that The Cure have.

I've got no doubts that if they were to announce a UK-wide tour of the venues just under Arena size it wouldn't sell out (tho probably wouldn't bomb either). And if they announced a tour like that year on year those tours would bomb.

The perception of big popularity is maintained by a combination of very rare UK shows (about one a year is the average) along with their obsessive hardcore of fans.

Edited by eFestivals, 03 February 2012 - 02:40 PM.

[eFestivals]

eFestivals, on 03 February 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

about half that - around 5,000.

Correction: for most shows there's less than 4,000 tickets available for sale.

http://www.royalalbe...ll/default.aspx

[gazza_20]

eFestivals, on 03 February 2012 - 02:39 PM, said:

about half that - around 5,000.

Indeed it is, my mistake there, was only saying about it being 5 yesterday, how a nights sleep changes thought haha.



Selling a very occasional show to your hardcore of fans is pretty easy when you have the sorts of cultish fans that The Cure have.

I've got no doubts that if they were to announce a UK-wide tour of the venues just under Arena size it wouldn't sell out (tho probably wouldn't bomb either). And if they announced a tour like that year on year those tours would bomb.

The perception of big popularity is maintained by a combination of very rare UK shows (about one a year is the average) along with their obsessive hardcore of fans.

Your possibly right although I guess until they tried arena's, know one would know.

But if R&L was their ONLY UK show of 2012?

[beau1]

The Cure could easily sell out a small arena tour in the UK of 3-4 dates in arenas of a capacity 7-10,000. With that RAH date we're talking about, it sold out in 2 minutes and I was placed in a queue for 30,000 on the website. Not saying they are a massive draw but if they had 20,000-25,000 tickets for sale in UK venues then they would easily sell out.
When they played in Wembley Arena (about 11,000) in 2008, they sold it out again in about 5 minutes (they didn't even sell it out in 2000 when they played there) and really should have added another date as it sold out so quickly, they should have added a lot more dates to that European tour.

Edited by beau1, 03 February 2012 - 03:08 PM.

[TYLER_4]

lets all just hold hands and hope the cure dont play

[Vieuphoria]

I did that last year for Muse.... and look what that got me. So hope away sir...

[thetime]

Lol better than muse blah blah

[TYLER_4]

are you saying the shitting cure are a better headliner than muse?