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[biffoire]

Year one. They said they had a HUGE announcement. Date came and went with no mention of the announcement. Not even a note saying why it was postponed or when it would happen.

Announcement was finally made and it was far from HUGE. Not even medium.

[jump]

They did it last year too when they said they were going to announce 5 bands and then announced Biffy on there ownsome.

[biffoire]

I get that things fall through and booking bands for an international event doesn't always run smooth. I just thought it was unprofessional to ignore the fact the announcement hadn't been made and make no communication what so ever.

[Black_Crow]

jump, on 09 December 2011 - 02:54 PM, said:

They did it last year too when they said they were going to announce 5 bands and then announced Biffy on there ownsome.

They were going to, but one of the bands website's broke down and was a delay with another band.

Not soni's fault and you can't say that was hyped, it was hardly like Download promising a massive band which Korn didn't want to clash with and then it turned out to be Def leppard.

[jump]

Download/Soni there's no difference, still run by organisers saying they've got brillaint headliners regardless of who they've actually got so Soni saying they've got "fantastic headliners" really goes mean nothing.

[biffoire]

There is a difference. Download do have fantastic headliners. Soni just have chat about fantastic headliners.

[Black_Crow]

biffoire, on 09 December 2011 - 03:32 PM, said:

There is a difference. Download do have fantastic headliners. Soni just have chat about fantastic headliners.

As far as I'm concerned, they are still even. Download's headliners this year are the worst in their history, all a matter of opinion though.

Oh and Metal Hammer have just said Soni's lineup is going to be amazing.

[kipper64]

Yeah in 2009 they said they had an easter announcement, but it was delayed by a few weeks. Turned out to be Heaven & Hell, who were amazing, so whether you thought that was huge or not is just opinion.  Also Sonisphere have always been great at communicating with their customers, and have definitely improved since that one mishap from a few years back.  They tweet more than any festival, they communicate a fair bit on their forums, they hold somewhat frequent focus groups etc...  So all this talk about being 'unorganised/unproffessional' is both inaccurate and stupid.

Fact is headliner announcements in particular are always subject to a lot of things generally concerning the bands themselves, and a lot of the times it's out of the organisers control when they can or can't announce.  Couple that with the fact they've got hundreds of shows to organise for the next year (and are a much smaller team than Livenation) as well as many festivals, Sonisphere isn't always the no.1 priority I'm sure.  Sure announcing as early as possible is what they'll want to do, but if they can't then they can't.  Download announced much earlier for 2011, yet sold less tickets than previous years, so similar with Sonisphere it won't really matter when they announce, just if the line up is good enough to sell out. Which it probably will be yet again.  And with no Glasto, no High Voltage, there's a bit less competition and more attendees possibly looking for somewhere else or somewhere new to go.  Hell even in 2010 when Download sold more than it ever has and had 120,000 attendees, Sonisphere still had an amazing line up and near enough sold out (in their 2nd year), so how well Download does or when Download announces isn't really relevant.

Edited by kipper64, 09 December 2011 - 03:47 PM.

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kipper64, on 09 December 2011 - 03:45 PM, said:

Yeah in 2009 they said they had an easter announcement, but it was delayed by a few weeks. Turned out to be Heaven & Hell, who were amazing, so whether you thought that was huge or not is just opinion.  Also Sonisphere have always been great at communicating with their customers, and have definitely improved since that one mishap from a few years back.  They tweet more than any festival, they communicate a fair bit on their forums, they hold somewhat frequent focus groups etc...  So all this talk about being 'unorganised/unproffessional' is both inaccurate and stupid.

Fact is headliner announcements in particular are always subject to a lot of things generally concerning the bands themselves, and a lot of the times it's out of the organisers control when they can or can't announce.  Couple that with the fact they've got hundreds of shows to organise for the next year (and are a much smaller team than Livenation) as well as many festivals, Sonisphere isn't always the no.1 priority I'm sure.  Sure announcing as early as possible is what they'll want to do, but if they can't then they can't.  Download announced much earlier for 2011, yet sold less tickets than previous years, so similar with Sonisphere it won't really matter when they announce, just if the line up is good enough to sell out. Which it probably will be yet again.

Did it sell out this year? I remember it "sold out" in 2010 but don't remember them saying it sold out this year.

For The record I couldn't give a shit about playing fanboy for Soni or Download.

[biffoire]

Agreed black crow that its all about opinion. For me Sabbath are a bonus and my main draw is Metallica doing the black album.

But given the bands that have been ruled out or have played soni recently, it's not looking good.

I can see another year of them 'giving the smaller bands the opportunity to prove their worth' through lack of better options.

I reckon Kiss, Green Day and Machine Head. Maybe the Foos. (for anyone who didn't see them playing every venue on earth last year. )

[kipper64]

jump, on 09 December 2011 - 03:50 PM, said:

Did it sell out this year? I remember it "sold out" in 2010 but don't remember them saying it sold out this year.

For The record I couldn't give a shit about playing fanboy for Soni or Download.

It sold out this year completely. Last year it only sold out on the Sunday.

biffoire, on 09 December 2011 - 03:51 PM, said:

Agreed black crow that its all about opinion. For me Sabbath are a bonus and my main draw is Metallica doing the black album.

But given the bands that have been ruled out or have played soni recently, it's not looking good.

I can see another year of them 'giving the smaller bands the opportunity to prove their worth' through lack of better options.

I reckon Kiss, Green Day and Machine Head. Maybe the Foos. (for anyone who didn't see them playing every venue on earth last year. )

Foos hardly played everywhere.  Only did TITP in Scotland, and Big Weekend/Itunes were very limited free shows.  The only actual tour dates they had was milton keynes and NME awards show, which all sold out in seconds and I guess IoW which isn't really conveniently located for a lot of people. I imagine there's plenty of people who never got to see them this year who'd love to see them.  Particularly if you don't live in the south of England.

Edited by kipper64, 09 December 2011 - 04:05 PM.

[biffoire]

Even the band said when they announced the dates last year that everyone would be sick of the sight of them after touring the uk.

Maybe you should email that comment to Dave Grohl.

[kipper64]

Perhaps I should! Because the UK tour was hardly that extensive and I never got anything close to a chance of seeing them.  TITP was the same weekend as sonisphere and sold out straight away as usual anyways

[biffoire]

There isn't a band alive that would get me to TITP.

[gazza_20]

I'm not so sure Soni did sell out? You could defo buy tickets right upto the festival.

And with regards to festivals saying they have fantastic headliners. They all do it, but then they're not goign to say. We have shit headliners, don't attend our festival are they

[thejimbola]

Is there really no High Voltage? Stupid feckin Olympics!

[kipper64]

gazza_20, on 09 December 2011 - 06:16 PM, said:

I'm not so sure Soni did sell out? You could defo buy tickets right upto the festival.

And with regards to festivals saying they have fantastic headliners. They all do it, but then they're not goign to say. We have shit headliners, don't attend our festival are they

Yeah they increased the arena capacity to get more day tickets sold in the month before the festival after it completely sold out, the arena and campsites were packed...they couldn't fit more people in if they tried

As for High Voltage, don't think it's been confirmed yet, but it's what I heard, Andy Copping said on twitter he heard it was off too.  Would have been a case of them moving it or cancelling, guess they opted for the latter.

Edited by kipper64, 09 December 2011 - 07:37 PM.

[cheeseisamazing]

jump, on 09 December 2011 - 03:18 PM, said:

Download/Soni there's no difference, still run by organisers saying they've got brillaint headliners regardless of who they've actually got so Soni saying they've got "fantastic headliners" really goes mean nothing.

agreed, festival organizers will always 'big up' they're line up, you'd be a shitty promoter not to...

[gazza_20]

anyone seen this one facebook?

http://www.facebook....gardenWorldTour

made me wonder if Soundgarden are going to be announced as support for them or something?

[kipper64]

Not gonna happen, Matt Cameron drumming for 4 hours with little to no break in between?