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[loubelou]

Cooter, on 12 June 2011 - 01:12 PM, said:

Is that an onsite number?

yes its the number to report a crime on site thats already happened

[musky]

Does anyone know which number should be used if someone tries your tent in the middle of the night with the "I'm looking for Steve" line?

It's not a crime in progress and you're not reporting a crime. It could be totally innocent, but if a lot of reports start coming in from a particular field then it does look more than suspicious and any police/security in the area could be alerted.

[jeffie]

posthuman, on 09 June 2011 - 01:49 PM, said:

I love the naivety of people asking questions like "Will you search my car for drugs?"

It's like........

"I will be driving s Red and Yellow striped VW Microbus with CND, Greenpeace, Anarchy and Feck the Pigs stickers all over it, you probably won't be able to see who's inside due to the smoke billowing around.........


Registration number is M115HRM.

Will you search it?"



"apologies if this is your van btw "

Edited by jeffie, 12 June 2011 - 02:52 PM.

[CCCheese]

musky, on 12 June 2011 - 01:54 PM, said:

Does anyone know which number should be used if someone tries your tent in the middle of the night with the "I'm looking for Steve" line?

It's not a crime in progress and you're not reporting a crime. It could be totally innocent, but if a lot of reports start coming in from a particular field then it does look more than suspicious and any police/security in the area could be alerted.

Calls to 0845 can, if suitable (and in this case I'd say it was), still end up being passed to the dispatchers, so in that case, it's your call really. I'd like to think the 999 handlers would appreciate a call made with the best intentions

[markeee]

geebus, on 10 June 2011 - 11:27 AM, said:

Unfortunately I was in the middle of a field (well, a race track) so couldn't participate.
Hoped to ask them about thefts from tents etc and what they were doing about it.  Including what they had planned to do about security (real or not) stealing from people.

i seem to recall something about plain clothesd officers wandering around monitorring sites etc and also honey trap tents

that idea of a tent setup to lure people in and catch them is ace

CCCheese, on 12 June 2011 - 07:44 AM, said:

Geebus, I can't really answer the questions as I've not seen the 2011 policing plan and it's always dynamic - plus, it would give the game away ;-) Things like the watchtowers that were put in last year do make a big difference though.

But what makes the biggest difference is intelligence... It's a big city on site and like the real world, you won't find a cop on every corner... So if you do see a scrote going through tents etc, then call it in - 999 is for crimes in progress and works exactly the same at Glastonbury as it does in the real world.

And if, sadly, you are a victim of crime at Glastonbury, call that in too - it's used to build up a picture and influences where resources (additional or routine) are deployed...

Hope that helps somewhat.

for some reason, i personally and i would assume a few others would feel stupid ringing 999 when at a festival?!

would be handy if there was an onsite number to ring direct maybe

although i suppose if you ring the 999/0845 itll be passed to police at glasto ior should be?!

[geebus]

Seen claims of honey trap tents at Glasto for some time - though not sure whether they're true or not.
Of course they're not going to deny them or play down what they do because just making it sound like it's happening is part of the 'action'.

[CCCheese]

markeee, on 12 June 2011 - 05:31 PM, said:

i seem to recall something about plain clothesd officers wandering around monitorring sites etc and also honey trap tents

that idea of a tent setup to lure people in and catch them is ace


for some reason, i personally and i would assume a few others would feel stupid ringing 999 when at a festival?!

would be handy if there was an onsite number to ring direct maybe

although i suppose if you ring the 999/0845 itll be passed to police at glasto ior should be?!

The dispatch is ran from A&S comms centre that isn't at Glastonbury, so a direct site number wouldn't help. Just like if you're at home, you wouldn't ring your local station, you'd ring the central point where the call is assessed and resources deployed....

[markeee]

CCCheese, on 12 June 2011 - 05:36 PM, said:

The dispatch is ran from A&S comms centre that isn't at Glastonbury, so a direct site number wouldn't help. Just like if you're at home, you wouldn't ring your local station, you'd ring the central point where the call is assessed and resources deployed....

yea makes sense, i just get the feeling most people would feel stupid calling 999 while at glasto? maybe it's just me though :|

[Mark E. Spliff]

geebus, on 12 June 2011 - 05:35 PM, said:

Seen claims of honey trap tents at Glasto for some time - though not sure whether they're true or not.
Of course they're not going to deny them or play down what they do because just making it sound like it's happening is part of the 'action'.

They're not a myth.  Last year I took a wander round the whole site on the Tuesday before the festival and the honey-trap tents were there to be seen.  You could spot them a mile off they were just sat there on their own, in none-too-special areas where nobody would bother making a special effort to claim a spot early.  I even took photos but won't post them as I wouldn't want to assist the scrotes.

[markeee]

Mark E. Spliff, on 12 June 2011 - 06:55 PM, said:

They're not a myth.  Last year I took a wander round the whole site on the Tuesday before the festival and the honey-trap tents were there to be seen.  You could spot them a mile off they were just sat there on their own, in none-too-special areas where nobody would bother making a special effort to claim a spot early.  I even took photos but won't post them as I wouldn't want to assist the scrotes.

so they blend in nicely once the sites setup, good

although im not saying dont do it, obviously im all for catching/stopping these people

but is it not entrapment? whatever it is, it's good as if they get caught trying to rob a honey trap tent, they would clearly have robbed a normal tent

[Mark E. Spliff]

markeee, on 12 June 2011 - 07:06 PM, said:

but is it not entrapment? whatever it is, it's good as if they get caught trying to rob a honey trap tent, they would clearly have robbed a normal tent

To be 'entrapment' there needs to be some form of inducement to commit an offence.  The classic example would be an undercover female officer pretending to be a prostitute and approaching someone and offering them a good time for cash.  Leaving a tent in a field is different - it's just a tent minding it's own business.  Anyone entering that tent and taking any of the contents was clearly intending to rob tents, regardless of whether the honey-trap was there.

[markeee]

Mark E. Spliff, on 12 June 2011 - 07:25 PM, said:

To be 'entrapment' there needs to be some form of inducement to commit an offence.  The classic example would be an undercover female officer pretending to be a prostitute and approaching someone and offering them a good time for cash.  Leaving a tent in a field is different - it's just a tent minding it's own business.  Anyone entering that tent and taking any of the contents was clearly intending to rob tents, regardless of whether the honey-trap was there.

ahhh ok I get what you mean, there's been no enticement to commit a crime, just a trap setup if someone attempts to