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[dinky123]

is it wrong to sell ur ticket .seen a ticket for sale on gumtree

[Spliffman]

dinky123, on 25 May 2011 - 04:10 PM, said:

is it wrong to sell ur ticket .seen a ticket for sale on gumtree

imho  YES ;-)>

[Wanderlei]

No, not if it's reasonably priced. It's annoying when someone sells a ticket for a crazy amount because then it makes that festival slot an exclusive place for a rich person. Which is wrong imo.

But if someone buys a ticket, can't go, and then tries to get some money back, who cares?

[blackcockerel]

Depends on the circumstances.

[LittlemissC]

I wish there was a way that registered people could sell on to others - that would stop touting on the black market as much as possible, and ensure that those who couldn't go and needed to sell would get their money back, and those wanting to buy would pay cost price.

Now how to do it is another thing but surely there must be a way, even if you had to incur an administration charge.

[Ian_Mackay]

I believe there are two very different causes for a ticket being sold (generally, not just re. Glasto):

• Seller has genuinely bought it and then realized they can't go
  
• Seller is a tout

If the former, then I believe it is not wrong to resell, as long as the price is reasonable. We all make mistakes, and if it's possible to get one's money back while passing on something worthwhile to another then that's fine (in Glastonbury ticket cases though, the buyer MUST be aware that it's Caveat Emptor on the ticket, and there's no guarantee they'll get in - and they are happy with this)

If the latter, then this is a massive problem and it's definitely wrong to buy up all the tickets, then sell at vastly inflated prices (and wrong to keep the trade going by buying from touts) - this is unfortunately becoming standard practice for many music and sports events, and forces people to shell out a lot more than they should on things they want to see. Glastonbury created the identiticket system to get round this touting issue and give real festival fans a proper chance to go to the event through normal channels. And they have been successful in this endeavor.

[blackcockerel]

Absolutely.

[tonyblair]

LittlemissC, on 25 May 2011 - 04:24 PM, said:

I wish there was a way that registered people could sell on to others - that would stop touting on the black market as much as possible, and ensure that those who couldn't go and needed to sell would get their money back, and those wanting to buy would pay cost price.

Now how to do it is another thing but surely there must be a way, even if you had to incur an administration charge.

you can get a refund (less £10 admin) on your ticket up until a few weeks before the festival.

seems pretty fair to me

aside from that, you can take out insurance for a few quid

[LittlemissC]

tonyblair, on 25 May 2011 - 04:40 PM, said:

you can get a refund (less £10 admin) on your ticket up until a few weeks before the festival.

seems pretty fair to me

aside from that, you can take out insurance for a few quid

I know TB, but I'm talking about a means to sell your ticket to someone else who is registered and would like to buy it.

[blackcockerel]

It is pretty fair, but there are exceptions. That insurance doesn't cover everything. And occasionally events arise after that refund date. Providing the person isn't trying to make loads of cash on it and makes it very clear the buyer is taking a risk, what's wrong with that?

[arcade fireman]

In the case of Glasto, it is wrong to try and sell your ticket, even if the circumstances are okay. Because chances are you won't get in under someone else's ticket, but the person whos buying the ticket might think they stand a decent chance of doing so.

[Dukeicon]

tonyblair, on 25 May 2011 - 04:40 PM, said:

you can get a refund (less £10 admin) on your ticket up until a few weeks before the festival.

seems pretty fair to me

aside from that, you can take out insurance for a few quid

That date has gone for refunds, it was 6th May. The only way to get a refund now is if you have insurance on the ticket and you can't go because of something covered by the insurance.

[blackcockerel]

arcade fireman, on 25 May 2011 - 04:51 PM, said:

In the case of Glasto, it is wrong to try and sell your ticket, even if the circumstances are okay. Because chances are you won't get in under someone else's ticket, but the person whos buying the ticket might think they stand a decent chance of doing so.

As I said above, if you make the risks clear, then it's down to the buyer to decide if it's worth the risk. I personally wouldn't take that risk but according to others on here, the risk has paid off in the past

[Taija]

In certain cases, and I must admit in my sheer desperation, I did look at the tickets being sold at gumtree. Unfortunately there are always people who buy tickets just to make a profit, which is unfair to the people who try for a ticket are left without one..
But if the people have bought one in the resales, and thus don't have insurance to cancel it, the ticket will go unused if they don't sell it onwards. It's a bit of a catch-22, and imo it's one of the bigger downfalls of the Glastonbury ticket policies.

[dingbat2]

I have no problem with people who want to sell and make no profit as long as there are genuine reasons. The problem is, as the Olympics prove, people buy them on the off chance that they may ultimately want to go, knowing they will be able to sell them at a later date if they want to. It's the "might go, might not go, but I will buy a ticket just in case" which deprive the people who desperately want to go from getting one

Glasto is the fairest ticketing system ever in my opinion, no touts. I cannot see why other festivals do not do it, other than they cannot be arsed, because there isn't really an incentive for them to do so

[Douzeper]

edited by me

Edited by Douzeper, 26 May 2011 - 03:44 PM.

[Taija]

Douzeper, on 25 May 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

One of our group can't go now, female aged 31 with black hair.  All she wants is her money back.

I'm just saying

Honestly, I would be tempted to ask for further details (all while wondering how much a black wig would cost..) But I don't know how easily an 18-year-old near-albino could pull it off
But tbh, I'm sure it will go quickly to some lucky person.

[Spindles]

It's a tricky one.  As has been said, selling tickets for prices above face value is touting and is setting a situation where the wealthier you are the easier/more likely it is that you get there and I'm massively opposed to that.  GFL have led the way in making the ticket system the fairest there is, with everyone in the scramble and no one having any advantage, I can only support that.

However...

I didn't take out insurance, on Friday I suffered a collapsed lung and I'm going to be spending the next 4 weeks ensuring I have recuperated enough to go, last night I walked half a mile to a friends, spent an hour there and walked half a mile back and was in agony.  If I can't go I'll be finding a friend who wants to go with my ticket, which I will not charge a penny for, as long as they make sure that my kids are ok while they are there.  I don't think that is wrong at all.  To be honest though, unless I'm back in hospital I'll be there.

[Taija]

Spindles, on 25 May 2011 - 06:22 PM, said:

It's a tricky one.  As has been said, selling tickets for prices above face value is touting and is setting a situation where the wealthier you are the easier/more likely it is that you get there and I'm massively opposed to that.  GFL have led the way in making the ticket system the fairest there is, with everyone in the scramble and no one having any advantage, I can only support that.

However...

I didn't take out insurance, on Friday I suffered a collapsed lung and I'm going to be spending the next 4 weeks ensuring I have recuperated enough to go, last night I walked half a mile to a friends, spent an hour there and walked half a mile back and was in agony.  If I can't go I'll be finding a friend who wants to go with my ticket, which I will not charge a penny for, as long as they make sure that my kids are ok while they are there.  I don't think that is wrong at all.  To be honest though, unless I'm back in hospital I'll be there.

I hope you feel well enough to go!

[gizmoman]

LittlemissC, on 25 May 2011 - 04:24 PM, said:

I wish there was a way that registered people could sell on to others - that would stop touting on the black market as much as possible, and ensure that those who couldn't go and needed to sell would get their money back, and those wanting to buy would pay cost price.

Now how to do it is another thing but surely there must be a way, even if you had to incur an administration charge.

Excellent suggestion, i'm sure seetickets could have a dept. that could do this (for say 10% of the purchase price), your unwanted ticket would be passed on to a registered person who hadn't been lucky. That way if you couldn't go at the last minute you wouldn't lose out totally and there would be a few happy punters able to go at the last minute when they had given up hope, still defeats the touts, everyones a winner!