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[mrtourette]

Comparing R&L to V, TITP or Oxygen, whether it's in regard to tickets seeling out or headliners is retarded. If you want to watch Rihanna, Jessie J, The Saturdays, Black Eye Peas, Bruno Mars or the 'indie rock' options like Coldplay, KOL or Arctic Monkeys then f**k off to one of those festivals. Not one of those would ever put bands like The National or Friendly Fires so high on the bill or have Jane's Addiction. Sure there are misses (terrible ones in some cases) but if you can't recognise that R&L is trying to be different then you can't be clever enough to make the comparison, and if you can recognise it and still don't like it then you're probably at the wrong festival for you. It's like saying Download is shit because FNM headlined there and then only headlined the tent at R&L. As for the ticket sales do you ever wonder why Justin Bieber sells more records than Sonic Youth? Would everyone be happy if Melvin Benn didn't make his dumb exclusive headliner claim and we had the Arctic Monkeys headlining again?

Edited by mrtourette, 22 March 2011 - 07:02 AM.

[pink_triangle]

I agree the fanbase is different and you wouldnt get many of the pop bands at reading/leeds.  However in terms of headliners while some of reading/leeds headliners will sub at T, I cant remember the same happening the other way around, although Im sure someone will be able to tell me it has.I think reading/leeds have many good qualities but feel they do sometimes not manage to pull in the same calibre of headliners as the other festivals.  You could make a good argument that the v and t headliners are all bigger than all 3 at reading/leeds, that doesnt mean they are necessarily better of course.  However part of me feels I shouldnt be paying as much for a festival with less popular headliners, who I assume would cost less to book.

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pink_triangle, on 22 March 2011 - 01:26 PM, said:

I agree the fanbase is different and you wouldnt get many of the pop bands at reading/leeds.  However in terms of headliners while some of reading/leeds headliners will sub at T, I cant remember the same happening the other way around, although Im sure someone will be able to tell me it has.I think reading/leeds have many good qualities but feel they do sometimes not manage to pull in the same calibre of headliners as the other festivals.  You could make a good argument that the v and t headliners are all bigger than all 3 at reading/leeds, that doesnt mean they are necessarily better of course.  However part of me feels I shouldnt be paying as much for a festival with less popular headliners, who I assume would cost less to book.

Prodigy headline IOW & Faith No More headlined Download maybe more but I'm not sure and can't be bothered to check.

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jump, on 22 March 2011 - 01:30 PM, said:

Prodigy headline IOW & Faith No More headlined Download maybe more but I'm not sure and can't be bothered to check.

Im talking more in relation to T in the park.  I still find it odd that T in the park get headliners who would all headline reading/leeds while the same doesnt happen vice versa, despite T not being significantly more expensive.  I agree the target audiences are different which acoc**ts for some of the pop bands at T, however dont think it explains the difference in size of headliners they seem to get.

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pink_triangle, on 22 March 2011 - 01:43 PM, said:

Im talking more in relation to T in the park.  I still find it odd that T in the park get headliners who would all headline reading/leeds while the same doesnt happen vice versa, despite T not being significantly more expensive.  I agree the target audiences are different which acoc**ts for some of the pop bands at T, however dont think it explains the difference in size of headliners they seem to get.

Not so much in reagrds to R&L but there has with other fests before like Jay Z/Kings Of Leons headline Glasto sub at TITP, Muse 2nd stage/headlined V, Prodigy 2nd stage/IOW headliner aswell as some shit choices in general like Texas headlining.

[Leeds_Brett]

Mariner, on 21 March 2011 - 10:10 PM, said:

If I was organising I would have went with one of the following instead of MCR to shift tickets:

Green Day
Foos
Beastie Boys
The Prodigy
REM
Daft Punk

Yes, not all of them would've been available, but still, one fo them must be. That's just headliners I can think of off the top of my head. There are literally a bunch of superior potential sub headliners. I don't know why it's so poor this year. I can't understand why they've optioned for MCR. It doesn't make sense to me.

Festivals around the world like Coachella, which is considered to have a weak line-up this year, totally shits over this Reading lineup.

But


Green Day - Have given hints to say they will no longer play festivals
Foos - Are headlining next year, and lets face it only played a few years back
Beastie Boys - One has cancer, and while the album is coming out, they are not promoting because of that fact
The Prodigy - Only played 2 years ago, and imo, were absolutely shite. Also not seem to be doing a lot
REM - turned down similar festival apperances so obviously didnt want to play
Daft Punk - Never going to headline leeds. I just cant see it ever happening.


So the argument completely falls down. I think R&L is a good line up with what they had, for festivals to find 20 odd top lines to headline uk festivals is hard work at the minute and FR have gone out and tried to get 3 that are different from the others but still top draw acts.


Also will people please get the TITP comparison out of their heads its a completely different festival, completely different demographic and in festival terms, NOT IN THE SAME COUNTRY. So not comparable in the slightest.

also another point to make, People seem to have short memories, We share headliners with TITP and oxygen all the time and in most cased they headline our festival and not theirs, Razorlight, Killers, Darkness to name 3 snd I even saw someone complaining that a band with 1 ablum is headlining the second stage, thats normal, in 2005 the 3 bands headlining nme had 2 albums between them all of them!

[pink_triangle]

I disagree you cant compare with t. While the line ups are different they both tend to go for indie or rock headliners. When the three t headliners are more popular than our 3 headliners then I think its fair to be critical about the size of the headliners. I have been for the last ten years and now its quite common for me to think our headliners wouldnt look out of place one place down the bill.

[rexclark]

No festival has a consistently good line up year after year. It just doesn't happen, some years are better than others. The general consensus is this years is poorer than other fests but last years was alot better than others. It's a very tough game running a festival and although perhaps this years line up isn't to everyones taste next years could potentially be amazing. We'll just have to wait and see.

[fuzzylogic]

You know I can understand if people complain that they don;t like the bands, but why give a shit about stuff like 'exclusivity' how does that affect your enjoyment?,

If it turned out that Kurt Cobain is not really dead and Nirvana returned for a triumphant headline set at Leeds would you stand there and think "Yeah this is good, but they are also playing Bestival next week so that spoils it for me."?

As far as I'm concerned headliner wise I'm going to a festival headlined by The Horrors, Strokes/Pulp and Muse doing an Origin of Symmetry/best of set. That sounds f**king fantastic to me, and I couldn't give a shit if they are 'exclusive' or not.

Edited by fuzzylogic, 22 March 2011 - 09:23 PM.

[kirstykustard]

mattl, on 21 March 2011 - 09:53 PM, said:

My Chemical Romance shifted almost an entire generation of youth onto their type of music, one of the best underground bands before their explosion onto the world scene. Yeah they won't see much love on this forum but, believe it or not, they will draw a crowd and have done enough to warrent a Headlining spot.

i was 14 or 15 when mcr started to get popular and i'll be honest with you i think out of all the people in my year at the time only 2% (roughly) liked them and i'd be very surprised if thats changed much. also i just asked my younger brother who is 14 if many people in his year at school like MCR his reply was "a few people that i know of but they're bloody strange"

so stating that they shifted almost an entire generation of youth is a bit of an exaggeration.


just for the record i have no problem with MCR as a band i don't personally like them but each to their own, saying that tho i also don't think that they can headline r+l but i'll just go and see someone else