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[Vieuphoria]

jump, on 04 March 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

This is still subjective, MCR are headliners as they've headlined Download and (I hear) they are good live and Arcde Fire had no major fests under the belt yet. MCR wil get a similar size crowd as Arcade Fire this year.

Foos headline twice, I'm not disagreing with you on this (only your stupid list) but what makes you think they haven't got a trick this year? They got Libs last year as non headliners and pulled a few tricks before like Faith No More.

I take it back then with that well thought out counter arguement, Queens Of The Stone Age, Darkness, Pulp to headline this year please

It's less than you'd think, by your same logic (and hate postion arguements as they mean shit) as MCR the Cure last album got to 33 in the charts and sold very poorly.

Download headlers in 2006 doesn't equate to Reading Headliners 2011 surely? In terms of the their decline in the last 5 years, they aren't really headliners. Yes, sure take a risk and try and make new bands into headliners a la Arcade Fire. But do it with ones who are deserving surely. But that logic Lostprophets and The Offspring are viable headliners no?

QOTSA are viable headliners. If they have another hit like their last few albums, I see no reason why a band like that couldn't get promoted. As for Pulp, if they were an exclusive act (which of course they are not), They could headline. The Darknes.... fair enough, but that one in their for kicks just in case they thought that reuion might be worthwhile ha.

The Cure can sell out arenas in minutes, and have a 30 years history steeped in classic songs, millions of album sales, popular videos, sell out tours and iconic members. MCR were huge for a 2/3 year radius and then went on the decline again. I do admit the last Cure album didn't sell as well (was a bloody superb album though).... But the fact they've influenced so many of the bands people want to see at the festival is surely enough cause to get them there. Deftones, MCR, AFI etc would all willingly play under them.

[jump]

Vieuphoria, on 04 March 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

Download headlers in 2006 doesn't equate to Reading Headliners 2011 surely? In terms of the their decline in the last 5 years, they aren't really headliners. Yes, sure take a risk and try and make new bands into headliners a la Arcade Fire. But do it with ones who are deserving surely. But that logic Lostprophets and The Offspring are viable headliners no?

They may aswell have been according to a lot of the shit in your list. The same decline can be applied to Arcade Fire, their best selling album is still their 1st and their buzz didn't until R&L so the same can be applied to MCR but this doesn't change MCR & Arcade Fire will (probably) get the same size crowd but in terms of preformance (again probably) they are headliners.

Vieuphoria, on 04 March 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

QOTSA are viable headliners. If they have another hit like their last few albums, I see no reason why a band like that couldn't get promoted. As for Pulp, if they were an exclusive act (which of course they are not), They could headline. The Darknes.... fair enough, but that one in their for kicks just in case they thought that reuion might be worthwhile ha.

I just randomly picked 3 non-headlining bands of you're list with no extensive thought about it. I would agree about QOTSA but they are too inconsistent live and Pulp are probably playing anyway so does it mater if they headline or not. The status of headliner means shit to me as very rarely has the band I enjoyed the most been has been the headliner.

Vieuphoria, on 04 March 2011 - 03:54 PM, said:

The Cure can sell out arenas in minutes, and have a 30 years history steeped in classic songs, millions of album sales, popular videos, sell out tours and iconic members. MCR were huge for a 2/3 year radius and then went on the decline again. I do admit the last Cure album didn't sell as well (was a bloody superb album though).... But the fact they've influenced so many of the bands people want to see at the festival is surely enough cause to get them there. Deftones, MCR, AFI etc would all willingly play under them.

Partly because they don't tour enough, playing less often means they can sell out arenas. I see no difference between them and Manics, Prodigy, Sterophonics etc. just not healiners anymore even though they get big crowds & play big venues. They don't have enough general intrest to pull people at a fest to be headliner anymore.

Edited by jump, 04 March 2011 - 04:52 PM.

[kev1664]

Vieuphoria, on 04 March 2011 - 03:12 PM, said:

This guy get's it. Thank you sir.



The difference between Arcade Fire is this. Arace Fire were booked as subheadliners in 2007 and did arena tours then. They came back 3/4 years later with an album that was critically acclaimed, got to number one, won a shit tonne of awards, and did a sell out arena tour. My Chemical Romance however played 3rd top in 2006. They did some arenas etc at their peak. They were huge. They come back 4/5 years later. Don't reach the top 10 in the chart, don't sell out any tours, and are a considerably smaller band than they were in 2006 when they played 3rd? That is the point there. Nothing to do with personal taste... I'm not really an Arcade Fire fan, I find them kinnda dull. But headliners they are, and they proved it (not crowd wise but still).

Competition I agree. But Think of all the bands that could be booked instead. Foo Fighters played 3 times in a decade yes.... why? Popular they may be but change it up a bit. A company as big as this surely have the money and resources to pull out some difference and special every year. I realise some of the bands aren't still together (Stone Roses etc) but the point is you know R/L wouldn't book them if they did.

Common sense here by means "your logic" yes?

The Cure were booked say, they would get a crowd and a lot of buzz. They are more popualr than you think.

The suburbs did not come out until August 5th last year. Arcade fire would have been booked nearly 10 months before that. The awards it has won have been 2011 awards. The sell out arena tour was after R&L. At this point last year as proven by these boards it seemed crazy to book them for R&L headliners. But how much of a good booking it turned out to be, stroke of genius by FR.

MCR this year at this point in time are at a much better point in their career to headline than AF were last year. Your judgement is clouded by your anti-MCR stance.

I believe if the Stone Roses did make a return it would be R&L who would book them. You say there is no invention by R&L, but bookings like Arcade Fire show and MCR show there is. Yes bands like FOO's and Muse will always headline becasue they are huge bands and they need to make sure that they do see all the tickets. Plus not everyone is old enough to go to festivals, people from age 11-15/ and some 16-18 wont attend festivals now, but in 5 or 6 year may go. R&L then gives them a chance to see bands such as the foos, muse, metallica and others by repeat booking after a fair number of years.

I never thought I would get to see RATM in my lifetime, but Leeds 08 gave me my chance, and then a number one at xmas gave me a second chance. This is why a festival will repeat book.

The one thing I don't like about R&L is the exclusives, because some bands that return want to play as many shows in a short a time as possible meaning they will never headline R&L when they do make comebacks. Other than that I'd say they do make good bookings on a whole.

[Vieuphoria]

jump, on 04 March 2011 - 04:13 PM, said:

They may aswell have been according to a lot of the shit in your list. The same decline can be applied to Arcade Fire, their best selling album is still their 1st and their buzz didn't until R&L so the same can be applied to MCR but this doesn't change MCR & Arcade Fire will (probably) get the same size crowd but in terms of preformance (again probably) they are headliners.


Partly because they don't tour enough, playing less often means they can sell out arenas. I see no difference between them and Manics, Prodigy, Sterophonics etc. just not healiners anymore even though they get big crowds & play big venues. They don't have enough general intrest to pull people at a fest to be headliner anymore.

You seriously feel Arcade Fire have declined (if at all) anywhere near as much as MCR have?

as for The Cure. This arguement never gets anywhere.... If you think they aren't big then sure. But watch their next tour sell out.

kev1664, on 04 March 2011 - 05:59 PM, said:

The suburbs did not come out until August 5th last year. Arcade fire would have been booked nearly 10 months before that. The awards it has won have been 2011 awards. The sell out arena tour was after R&L. At this point last year as proven by these boards it seemed crazy to book them for R&L headliners. But how much of a good booking it turned out to be, stroke of genius by FR.

MCR this year at this point in time are at a much better point in their career to headline than AF were last year. Your judgement is clouded by your anti-MCR stance.

I believe if the Stone Roses did make a return it would be R&L who would book them. You say there is no invention by R&L, but bookings like Arcade Fire show and MCR show there is. Yes bands like FOO's and Muse will always headline becasue they are huge bands and they need to make sure that they do see all the tickets. Plus not everyone is old enough to go to festivals, people from age 11-15/ and some 16-18 wont attend festivals now, but in 5 or 6 year may go. R&L then gives them a chance to see bands such as the foos, muse, metallica and others by repeat booking after a fair number of years.

I never thought I would get to see RATM in my lifetime, but Leeds 08 gave me my chance, and then a number one at xmas gave me a second chance. This is why a festival will repeat book.

The one thing I don't like about R&L is the exclusives, because some bands that return want to play as many shows in a short a time as possible meaning they will never headline R&L when they do make comebacks. Other than that I'd say they do make good bookings on a whole.

Actually that is very wrong. Arcade Fire released the album a month before the festival. Noone knew much about the album, but the gig was supposed to be superb and the album even better. Whereas MCR have released their album a good 9 months before the 2011 festival. In that time the album has flopped, their new image has flopped, and their arena tours have't sold as well as first thought. See the difference here? Booking Arcade Fire was a stroke of genius, booking MCR is the work of an over eager and stubbourn businessman.

Don't paint me out to be some anti-MCR banner. I couldn't care less about them, but headliners at this stage in their career they aren't. Not that they cannot make a better comeback next time, but this one has kinnda fallen flat.

"I believe if the Stone Roses did make a return it would be R&L who would book them." - Can I have a go in your time machine please?

"Yes bands like FOO's and Muse will always headline becasue they are huge bands" - Never denied that. This wasn't the point.

Edited by Vieuphoria, 04 March 2011 - 09:14 PM.

[beau1]

jump, on 04 March 2011 - 03:30 PM, said:

This is still subjective, MCR are headliners as they've headlined Download and (I hear) they are good live and Arcde Fire had no major fests under the belt yet. MCR wil get a similar size crowd as Arcade Fire this year.



Foos headline twice, I'm not disagreing with you on this (only your stupid list) but what makes you think they haven't got a trick this year? They got Libs last year as non headliners and pulled a few tricks before like Faith No More.



I take it back then with that well thought out counter arguement, Queens Of The Stone Age, Darkness, Pulp to headline this year please



It's less than you'd think, by your same logic (and hate postion arguements as they mean shit) as MCR the Cure last album got to 33 in the charts and sold very poorly.

On a festival and live circuit The Cure are very popular. Hell, Bestival has a great lineup every year but most people are saying its in the top 3 lineups for this year just because they have The Cure.

[Joe-]

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[mrtourette]

The Cure are a great band but aren't a legitimate R&L headliner because they don't appeal to the R&L target audience enough to warrant headlining. It would be a risk but I guess not the risk they want to take, unlike MCR, which is also a risk but I guess one they're willing to back as the organisers probably see them as more relevant to R&L than the Cure. It must be a constant battle between popularity and quality, the Cure sit too much towards quality.

[LondonTom]

Sweet day ticket it is then