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[Yellow_Fellow]

Dave The Hedgehog, on 17 January 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

No, I don't think he plays exceptionally fast - although I'm sure he's dying to. He's not a guitar shredder. What he is, is a show off, and he uses his ability - not to really prove a point, or to go anywhere and influence the millions with a wholly unique style or sound, but just for the sake of putting a guitar solo here or there when the music doesn't really need it.  

If Muse did a version of Louie, Louie, it would be bloated, pretentious and choc full of a million different ridiculous ideas on how it's best to change the song using the original foundation laid by The Kingsmen. My counter to that would be stopping them midway through their 14th guitar solo to question why they feel the need to try and fix something when it isn't broken.

He has a musical ability.

He is in a musical group.

He is to use his ability in said group.

I don't understand what I'm missing here.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Yellow_Fellow, on 17 January 2011 - 04:45 PM, said:

He has a musical ability.

He is in a musical group.

He is to use his ability in said group.

I don't understand what I'm missing here.

http://www.efestival...dpost&p=3480745

And...

http://www.efestival...dpost&p=3480777

Read again. It's how he uses his ability that's the problem.

[Yellow_Fellow]

You'd rather it was just your basic song structure then.. nothing different or special about it?

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Yellow_Fellow, on 17 January 2011 - 04:54 PM, said:

You'd rather it was just your basic song structure then.. nothing different or special about it?

Well, no not really. I want music that I can learn something positive from because then I might be able to use it for my own means at a later date; such is the nature of influence. A band like Muse - their music is just so utterly devoid of any life or soul or ambition that it feels like a rape on the senses.

Generally in society when something is popular, fashionistas will go to great lengths to try and emulate whatever is popular in every way possible. If Muse continue to exist and become more and more popular, that means people will inevitably form bands that will be INFLUENCED by them... and I can't be doing with that. I don't want a bunch of 17 year old boys noodling away at their keyboards and guitars just as I don't want people Matt Bellamy's age to noodle away at 17 year old boys, which is pretty much what Muse are doing with their intrusive bullshit they pass off as music.

[Yellow_Fellow]

I disagree that it's devoid of soul or emotion. Entirely.

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

Dave The Hedgehog, on 17 January 2011 - 04:41 PM, said:

No, I don't think he plays exceptionally fast - although I'm sure he's dying to. He's not a guitar shredder. What he is, is a show off, and he uses his ability - not to really prove a point, or to go anywhere and influence the millions with a wholly unique style or sound, but just for the sake of putting a guitar solo here or there when the music doesn't really need it.  

I agree with this completely. It appears they're being pretentious just for the sake of it, and it's nice when you see it the first time, but it gets very boring.

[hazzamid11]

Can see where people are coming from, but personally i think theyre great, the two times ive seen them they were awesome, the second time i wasnt listening to them at all, yet they still blew me away. The more recent album wasnt great but had some good tracks on, but showbiz, absolution and origins of symmetry are all fantastic albums, play the vast majority of them plus a few of the more recent hits, and youve got yourself a good set. Citezens Erased stll remains as probably one of the greatest songs ive seen live.

Edited by hazzamid11, 17 January 2011 - 05:49 PM.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Yellow_Fellow, on 17 January 2011 - 05:13 PM, said:

I disagree that it's devoid of soul or emotion. Entirely.

Soul, dear boy, is being able to sit down in a studio and not be able to finish singing your own lyrics because of how painful they are. Soul is being able to convey all of your innermost personal feelings into a form of expression - not in the hope that people join you in a good old fashioned singalong but because you're trying to get them out of your own personal Hell. Soul is being able to stand up in front of your mates and play 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' for the first time, smiling the whole way through.

With Muse, everything is cold, meticulous and calculated. You can just tell that when they sat in the studio, Matt Bellamy is the type of boring c**t who'd painstakingly weep with egotistical joy over every little last pre-bend and every little bit of harmonic resonance in his songs, and then quite happily tell you about it and explain why it's sooooooo important - even if most ordinary people out there didn't notice - all the while twiddling with the tone knobs on his mountainous landscape of effects pedals. There's no soul in his music; just a load of teacher-taught histrionics that says absolutely f**k all about anything and speaks to nobody except the few uninteresting sods that go to his ridiculous gigs.

[RichieParf]

Dave The Hedgehog, on 17 January 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

Soul, dear boy, is being able to sit down in a studio and not be able to finish singing your own lyrics because of how painful they are. Soul is being able to convey all of your innermost personal feelings into a form of expression - not in the hope that people join you in a good old fashioned singalong but because you're trying to get them out of your own personal Hell. Soul is being able to stand up in front of your mates and play 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' for the first time, smiling the whole way through.

With Muse, everything is cold, meticulous and calculated. You can just tell that when they sat in the studio, Matt Bellamy is the type of boring c**t who'd painstakingly weep with egotistical joy over every little last pre-bend and every little bit of harmonic resonance in his songs, and then quite happily tell you about it and explain why it's sooooooo important - even if most ordinary people out there didn't notice - all the while twiddling with the tone knobs on his mountainous landscape of effects pedals. There's no soul in his music; just a load of teacher-taught histrionics that says absolutely f**k all about anything and speaks to nobody except the few uninteresting sods that go to his ridiculous gigs.

Well that clears it up, to knwo the value of a band we must know whether or not they cry in the studio. What utter tripe. Do you actually know the subject matter of a single Muse song?

[Joe-]

I like 'em, just seen them a few times and not so bothered if they do not play.

I love them live though.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

RichieParf, on 17 January 2011 - 06:04 PM, said:

Well that clears it up, to knwo the value of a band we must know whether or not they cry in the studio. What utter tripe. Do you actually know the subject matter of a single Muse song?

To know the value of a band you need to listen to their music, and if their music is shite (like Muse's clearly is) then you have to deduce that they are worthless. Me stating that Muse's music is shit is a subjective opinion and not fact. I'm just saying why they don't appeal to me, and talking about what I hear when I listen to their music or see them perform live.

Besides, why waste time trying to understand the lyrical themes of the song when you can dismiss it as rubbish just by listening to the music?

[Yellow_Fellow]

Dave The Hedgehog, on 17 January 2011 - 06:00 PM, said:

Soul, dear boy, is being able to sit down in a studio and not be able to finish singing your own lyrics because of how painful they are. Soul is being able to convey all of your innermost personal feelings into a form of expression - not in the hope that people join you in a good old fashioned singalong but because you're trying to get them out of your own personal Hell. Soul is being able to stand up in front of your mates and play 'Smells Like Teen Spirit' for the first time, smiling the whole way through.

With Muse, everything is cold, meticulous and calculated. You can just tell that when they sat in the studio, Matt Bellamy is the type of boring c**t who'd painstakingly weep with egotistical joy over every little last pre-bend and every little bit of harmonic resonance in his songs, and then quite happily tell you about it and explain why it's sooooooo important - even if most ordinary people out there didn't notice - all the while twiddling with the tone knobs on his mountainous landscape of effects pedals. There's no soul in his music; just a load of teacher-taught histrionics that says absolutely f**k all about anything and speaks to nobody except the few uninteresting sods that go to his ridiculous gigs.

tl;dr i'm going to make assumptions about things i know so little about it would be completely illogical to do so

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Yellow_Fellow, on 17 January 2011 - 06:29 PM, said:

tl;dr i'm going to make assumptions about things i know so little about it would be completely illogical to do so

Why bother talking at all then?  

[Yellow_Fellow]

Good question, why are you talking at all?

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Yellow_Fellow, on 17 January 2011 - 06:46 PM, said:

Good question, why are you talking at all?

When all else fails in an argument, resort to circular comebacks.

"You smell!"
- "No, you smell!"



It seems you have nothing more to say to me.

[Cydonia_90]

Right, so im guessing Dave The Hedgehog doesn't like Muse then? If you dont like them, then that's fine, i respect your opinion, but dont waffle on...we get the message. Also, to call the people that go to their gigs "uninteresting sods" is a bit off. I'm sure there's a fair few people on this forum that have seen Muse and they would disagree with that.

If they did get announced for Reading this year...i'd be delighted. I struggle to think of another British band in the past 10 years (apart from Radiohead) that have set the bar for live music. They are outstanding live.

However, they're due a break. They've been non-stop touring for the past 10 years pretty much. A break would do them good.

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Cydonia_90, on 17 January 2011 - 07:01 PM, said:

Right, so im guessing Dave The Hedgehog doesn't like Muse then? If you dont like them, then that's fine, i respect your opinion, but dont waffle on...we get the message. Also, to call the people that go to their gigs "uninteresting sods" is a bit off. I'm sure there's a fair few people on this forum that have seen Muse and they would disagree with that.

To say that I don't like Muse would be an understatement. More blind, red misted hatred and vitriolic loathing.

To be fair, I've not met many interesting Muse fans. The vast majority I've had the displeasure of meeting tend to be within that realm of, as I said, "Kensington art student w*nkers" and none of them can really justify with any salient points why the music they like is so good, and spend most of their time talking about the light shows or how like the albums the live shows sound.

[Yellow_Fellow]

Dave The Hedgehog, on 17 January 2011 - 06:49 PM, said:

When all else fails in an argument, resort to circular comebacks.

"You smell!"
- "No, you smell!"



It seems you have nothing more to say to me.

[Dan R]

Dave The Hedgehog, on 17 January 2011 - 07:13 PM, said:

To say that I don't like Muse would be an understatement. More blind, red misted hatred and vitriolic loathing.

To be fair, I've not met many interesting Muse fans. The vast majority I've had the displeasure of meeting tend to be within that realm of, as I said, "Kensington art student w*nkers" and none of them can really justify with any salient points why the music they like is so good, and spend most of their time talking about the light shows or how like the albums the live shows sound.

Why not just ignore them then?
Don't see them at festivals, and if it's on the radio then turn it off
And how many "Kensington art student w*nkers" d'you think there are if you have that opinion of all Muse fans? Pretty sure there's not enough to sell out 2 consecutive night at Wembley

[Dave The Hedgehog]

Dan R, on 17 January 2011 - 07:38 PM, said:

Why not just ignore them then?

Well, when you come to a message board to discuss the possibilities of headline acts for a festival you enjoy (for the most part) and Muse is one of the strong rumoured acts, you can't help but pay a little bit of attention when somebody suggests the idea that Muse might not actually be that strong a rumour after all. Excitement and hope is one thing that drove me here but over the course of the thread it has descended into coffee-induced rage - which is warranted considering what we're talking about.

Also, I didn't say that all Muse fans are "Kensington art student w*nkers" - I said that the vast majority of those I have met seem to be of that disposition, and are deeply uninteresting in every way possible.