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#541 josephg

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:08 AM

QUOTE (ukslim @ Jun 11 2010, 11:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't think you understand what hyperbole is.

Deliberately exaggerating for effect.

We all know that "scum" is a stronger word than is entirely appropriate, but we use it because it's fun.

(Anyone, feel free to step in and correct me if I'm wrong about this)


Correcting you if i think you're wrong...I'd venture 'hyperbole' was fine in the context of the post. I don't think the poster was solely referring to use of the word 'scum'

However, I don't think it's grammatically correct to say 'excessive hyperbole', as by nature it is already of excessive disposition

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:12 AM

QUOTE (Lad @ Jun 11 2010, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Both are unpleasant and a bit ott?


Exactly.. I never used the word scum but I am apparently a mug and a twat... according to various people...  smile.gif

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:14 AM

QUOTE (strudders @ Jun 11 2010, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You did call us all twats.....

Scum?

Twat?

Not sure which is worst...


Well you lot are twats...

Only joking. Yeah, that's a fair cop. I apologise for calling you twats. Muppets, however...  wink.gif

Anyway, I'm talked out on this one. Perhaps it'll run for another 27 pages, but I don't have anything else to add. Chuck a stone for me...

Edited by Tomska, 11 June 2010 - 11:16 AM.


#544 redmosquito

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 11:33 AM

QUOTE (dirk4danger @ Jun 10 2010, 09:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I posted on the weather thread a while back about the guy behind Metcheck having been convicted of child rape. It got barely a response. People seemed to not give a dam.

But someone dares sell a Glasters ticket, something they are legally entitled to do, and all hell breaks loose.

You lot have a weird sense of priority.

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Probably because they are very different things and maybe because the guy behind Metcheck being convicted of an offense has no bearing whatsoever on Metcheck or their ability to forecast the weather. If he'd set up the site to meet kids or get in touch with Gary Glitter then I could see how this could make people angry but he didn't, he's just a bad man. Plus I think everyone is in agreement that people like that really are nasty people and that there is nothing that needs to be said, the touting issue however seems to have polarised opinions somewhat with large numbers of the anti's getting very very worked up about it, hence the many many pages of people making the same arguments!

I do agree though that things needs to be kept in perspective. Whilst I'm certainly no fan of touts and I think that music would be better without them at the end of the day they are always going to exist. When there is something as popular as Glastonbury there will always be people out there looking to exploit the unfortunate people who couldn't get a ticket, its basic supply and demand. As long as people are prepared to buy from touts, touts will always be here. The only way to stop them is to refuse to use them but unfortunately some people aren't prepared to do that.

I repeat again before anyone bites my head of that I'm no fan of touting but I do think labelling someone trying to make a bit of cash doing something totally legal as sub-human scum is going a little bit too far. Yes its not good for us or the festival but there are far worse things going on in the world that deserve our attention and anger such as the blockade of Palestine, Piers Morgan, the continuing success of Scouting for Girls, the number of people dying from preventable diseases such as malaria and TB etc etc.

No one like touts but lets all just chill out for a minute and look at the wider picture, we might not like them but is it really OK to spout all this hatred just because someone doesn't have the exact same morals as we do?

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:13 PM

QUOTE (redmosquito @ Jun 11 2010, 12:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Probably because they are very different things and maybe because the guy behind Metcheck being convicted of an offense has no bearing whatsoever on Metcheck or their ability to forecast the weather. If he'd set up the site to meet kids or get in touch with Gary Glitter then I could see how this could make people angry but he didn't, he's just a bad man. Plus I think everyone is in agreement that people like that really are nasty people and that there is nothing that needs to be said, the touting issue however seems to have polarised opinions somewhat with large numbers of the anti's getting very very worked up about it, hence the many many pages of people making the same arguments!

I do agree though that things needs to be kept in perspective. Whilst I'm certainly no fan of touts and I think that music would be better without them at the end of the day they are always going to exist. When there is something as popular as Glastonbury there will always be people out there looking to exploit the unfortunate people who couldn't get a ticket, its basic supply and demand. As long as people are prepared to buy from touts, touts will always be here. The only way to stop them is to refuse to use them but unfortunately some people aren't prepared to do that.

I repeat again before anyone bites my head of that I'm no fan of touting but I do think labelling someone trying to make a bit of cash doing something totally legal as sub-human scum is going a little bit too far. Yes its not good for us or the festival but there are far worse things going on in the world that deserve our attention and anger such as the blockade of Palestine, Piers Morgan, the continuing success of Scouting for Girls, the number of people dying from preventable diseases such as malaria and TB etc etc.

No one like touts but lets all just chill out for a minute and look at the wider picture, we might not like them but is it really OK to spout all this hatred just because someone doesn't have the exact same morals as we do?


Eavis has devised a system to stop them, it would seem the only weakness in the system is the checking at the gate, if that were improved no one would get in on someone elses ticket, therefore no touting. When you buy the ticket you enter into a contract and the t&cs state clearly the tickets are non-transferable, you have NO legal right to sell them.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 12:36 PM

QUOTE (gizmoman @ Jun 11 2010, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Eavis has devised a system to stop them, it would seem the only weakness in the system is the checking at the gate, if that were improved no one would get in on someone elses ticket, therefore no touting. When you buy the ticket you enter into a contract and the t&cs state clearly the tickets are non-transferable, you have NO legal right to sell them.


Firstly touting itself as a whole isn't illegal, I wasn't referring specifically to Glastonbury and even if I was having no legal right to sell them it doesn't make it illegal. I have no legal right to a threesome with Megan Fox and the girl of her chosing but it doesn't mean that when it does happen (and it WILL happen) that I'm doing something illegal. By breaking the T&C's and selling on the ticket you are not doing something illegal, yes GFL could take legal action but this would be a civil matter, not a criminal one.

Also touts will ALWAYS find a way around the system, everyone thought that putting pictures on the tickets would stop it dead, clearly it hasn't. Touts will find a way to sell tickets, its only if there is no one to sell to that will stop them. If they can't sell the tickets then they'll loose money and they'll stop, simple really. Ultimately anyone who buys a ticket from unofficial sources is responsible for touting, at the end of the day if there's demand for something, someone somewhere will step and find a way to supply it. Whilst everyone is right to have a go at touts I don't understand why everyone seems to be OK with the people that use them. We all love Glastonbury and we'd all do many things to make sure we were there but if the people who lost out on the tickets accepted that they can't go this year then we wouldn't be having this discussion. I include myself in this as well, I couldn't go to Glastonbury for 3 years running because I couldn't get tickets, not everyone that wants to go can do, for those 3 years I was just unlucky that it was me, I didn't like it at the time but hey, sh!t happens.

Edit: Also if you think that stopping people with touted tickets from entering the site will stop touting altogether then I think your being a bit naive. Touts don't care if you got in or not, their only concern is money, you only need to look at the number of websites selling non-existent tickets at inflated prices to sold out events to confirm this. I remember last year hearing about hundreds of people going to Leeds and Reading getting turned away at the gates because they had dodgy tickets, hundreds more never even received a fake. Were the touting company bothered about the fact that the purchasers couldn't get in? Of course they weren't, as long as they got paid they couldn't care less. Will they try it again this year with other events/gigs? Of course they will. No matter how hard ME makes it to get into Glastonbury without an officially purchased ticket there will always be some naive fool who's prepared to take a chance of getting in and is willing to pay way over the odds to take that risk, as long as this person exists then there will be some unscrupulous person ready to take their cash.

Edited by redmosquito, 11 June 2010 - 01:53 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:07 PM

QUOTE (redmosquito @ Jun 11 2010, 01:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Firstly touting itself as a whole isn't illegal, I wasn't refering specifically to Glastonbury.

Also touts will ALWAYS find a way around the system, everyone thought that putting pictures on the tickets would stop it dead, clearly it hasn't.


It really has though to be honest which is why a lot of the hysteria in this thread is going way over the top. Yes we're still getting the occasional few ebay auctions and maybe even some people buying a couple of extra tickets to sell on at a profit which though wrong is nowhere near the level of years gone by.

As i've said before the system has worked because there's no way on earth that professional touting operations would touch Glasto tickets with a bargepole as there're now too many obstacles in the way of them making a quick and guaranteed return on their investment.

It's unfortunate that some people still feel the need to profit at the expense of others but the amount of people trying it these days as opposed to a few years ago is such a small percentage that it renders it insignificant. Yes there's a morality problem involved but seriously, for such a tiny proportion of tickets it’s just not worth getting excited about.

As I’ve said many times before I have a problem when genuine festival goers are held to ransom by touts buying up supply and holding them to ransom. This simply won’t happen anymore as no sane business man would take the risk anymore.

To be honest I don’t know of anybody who genuinely wanted to go this year who wasn’t able to get a ticket through genuine channels at face value. There was more than ample opportunity in the three sales and the last resale was stupidly easy to get on the booking page. I’m not saying people who didn’t get tickets deserve to be held to ransom simply that if they’d made the effort they had more than enough opportunity to get tickets.

Point is that if there was a genuine problem with touts there would be many more stories of people unable to get tickets through the genuine channels on here which as far as I can see just haven’t materialised.

Even if for some bizarre reason some company did decide to buy up thousands of tickets word would soon get out about the amount on ebay and security would be massively shithot on the site. So as I’ve said before it would sort itself out as the moment is became apparent that large numbers of tickets were being sold on you would hear of large numbers being turned away from the site. Word would get round and the following year second hand tickets would be worthless to touts.

This is why although there will always be the odd one or two people trying it on it will never become more than that. It’s the thin end of a very thin wedge because it would never get beyond a very small minority unless these supposed rampant capitalists really had no understanding of the concept of capitalism.

Edited by farewellandgoodnight, 11 June 2010 - 01:11 PM.


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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:44 PM



I take it that there will be no Glastonbury meet for this thread then?   biggrin.gif

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:47 PM

QUOTE (Spliffman @ Jun 11 2010, 02:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I take it that there will be no Glastonbury meet for this thread then?   biggrin.gif


Healthy debate makes the world go round!

Just dont get me a burrow Hill cider and then try to sell it to me for 5 quid!  laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (strudders @ Jun 11 2010, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just dont get me a burrow Hill cider and then try to sell it to me for 5 quid!  laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


What if I gave you a buy it now price a little over the purchase cost to cover expenses such as wear and tear to shoes and delivery? Lets say £4.50?

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 01:51 PM

QUOTE (strudders @ Jun 11 2010, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Healthy debate makes the world go round!

Just dont get me a burrow Hill cider and then try to sell it to me for 5 quid!  laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Hey, it's worth whatever you're prepared to pay...  laugh.gif


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Posted 11 June 2010 - 02:13 PM

QUOTE (strudders @ Jun 11 2010, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Healthy debate makes the world go round!

Just dont get me a burrow Hill cider and then try to sell it to me for 5 quid!  laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


difused skilfully!

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:01 PM

QUOTE (strudders @ Jun 11 2010, 02:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Just dont get me a burrow Hill cider and then try to sell it to me for 5 quid!  laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif


Hmm, how much extra would you pay for a cider brought to wherever you're standing/sitting?

Waiter service, as it were?

I reckon I'd tip £1 for a tray of 4 pints brought to our mob. Some people would tip higher. Opportunity for someone!

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:07 PM

QUOTE (strudders @ Jun 11 2010, 12:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
You did call us all twats.....

Scum?

Twat?

Not sure which is worst...



Scum - Normally reserved for Paedophiles, rapists, terrorists (not someone who tries to sell a Glasto ticket on ebay!!)

Twat - Well thats normally the dickhead who cuts you up on the motorway, or pushes in front of a queue, annoying but not exactly heinous.


Glad to clear that one up.

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Posted 11 June 2010 - 03:21 PM

QUOTE (crimsonking @ Jun 11 2010, 04:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Scum - Normally reserved for Paedophiles, rapists, terrorists (not someone who tries to sell a Glasto ticket on ebay!!)


I'd normally associate "scum" with football chants. "Yer mum's yer dad, yer dad's yer mum, yer interbred, you Chelsea scum" kind of thing.

Sometimes meant with real venom, but intended by most as banter.




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