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[tonyblair]

russycarps, on May 28 2010, 12:07 PM, said:

But Exile (to me) is horrible.

[russycarps]

The Nal, on May 28 2010, 12:20 PM, said:

Whats so horrible about it?  

Im a Brian Jones fanboy too, most people are, but Mick Taylor offered a different buzz to the band, he was shit hot. They only went badly downhill when Ronnie joined really. That coupled with the fact they generally stopped giving a shit.

It's just an album I've never been able to get into. I dunno, it's me, not the album I'm sure. Songs that everyone loves - Tumbling Dice particularly - I just dont like.

Agreed on Mick Taylor.

Brian Jones summed up the 60s for me. If I could go in a time machine and live my late teens/early 20s in any decade it would be the 60s for sure.

[tevaburger]

eFestivals, on May 28 2010, 09:29 AM, said:

I'm 95%+ sure that they were being lined-up to play, but the Stones then pulled their touring plans for this year because of Ron being on the piss and that stopping them getting insurance for the tour.

I guess I'll find out for sure at some time in the future, I normally do with stuff like this.

nice one again Neil, for avoiding the chance to answer OP's query about last year's 4th headliner...since you know who it was, won't you ever be able to tell us? i''m sure it was Coldplay before Bruce??? or is it a source you can't compromise?

[CaledonianGonzo]

The Rio gig is generally agreed to be a terrible performance.  There are/were plenty of other far better shows on the A Bigger Bang tour.  The O2 shows were great, as were those in the Far East.  Plenty of shows on the tour did suffer, however, mostly as a result of Keith's recovery from brain surgery.

As to Mick Taylor, now that he's back in fold (he added new guitar to Plundered My Soul on the EOMS special-edition) rumours are circulating that he might be drafted in on a more regular basis to replace the recalcitrant Mr Wood and to help Keith along.  Bill Wyman has also been mentioned as possibly returning as well, for a tour that will be announced as the Stones' final or farewell tour.  

For all the 'this could be the last time' hoopla that usually greets a Stones tour, they've never formally announced that any set of shows will be the last they ever do.  Next time might well be different, and might be a way of boosting what have been flagging ticket sales.

As for Brian Jones - well, no Brian, no Stones, but he just seems like a pretty difficult person to warm to.  For me, none of the stuff that preceded the Mick Taylor years can hold a candle to the 'Big 5', Exile in particular.

[tonyblair]

CaledonianGonzo, on May 28 2010, 12:49 PM, said:

The Rio gig is generally agreed to be a terrible performance.  There are/were plenty of other far better shows on the A Bigger Bang tour.  The O2 shows were great, as were those in the Far East.  Plenty of shows on the tour did suffer, however, mostly as a result of Keith's recovery from brain surgery.

As to Mick Taylor, now that he's back in fold (he added new guitar to Plundered My Soul on the EOMS special-edition) rumours are circulating that he might be drafted in on a more regular basis to replace the recalcitrant Mr Wood and to help Keith along.  Bill Wyman has also been mentioned as possibly returning as well, for a tour that will be announced as the Stones' final or farewell tour.  

For all the 'this could be the last time' hoopla that usually greets a Stones tour, they've never formally announced that any set of shows will be the last they ever do.  Next time might well be different, and might be a way of boosting what have been flagging ticket sales.

As for Brian Jones - well, no Brian, no Stones, but he just seems like a pretty difficult person to warm to.  For me, none of the stuff that preceded the Mick Taylor years can hold a candle to the 'Big 5', Exile in particular.

I haven't seen anything resembling a decent example of them being any good since Ronnie Wood joined (that includes live shows and filmed examples...)

[russycarps]

CaledonianGonzo, on May 28 2010, 12:49 PM, said:

As for Brian Jones - well, no Brian, no Stones, but he just seems like a pretty difficult person to warm to.  For me, none of the stuff that preceded the Mick Taylor years can hold a candle to the 'Big 5', Exile in particular.

The whole Mick, Keith, Brian thing was f**ked up. Mick and Keith were massively jealous that Brian was more talented and popular than them. I am certain that since his death they have belittled him at every opportunity. If you ask me it's Mick and Keith that are difficult to warm to. Pair of bullies.

[sifi]

tonyblair, on May 28 2010, 01:13 PM, said:

I haven't seen anything resembling a decent example of them being any good since Ronnie Wood joined (that includes live shows and filmed examples...)

Tattoo You was a good album.

[The Nal]

russycarps, on May 28 2010, 01:32 PM, said:

The whole Mick, Keith, Brian thing was f**ked up. Mick and Keith were massively jealous that Brian was more talented and popular than them. I am certain that since his death they have belittled him at every opportunity. If you ask me it's Mick and Keith that are difficult to warm to. Pair of bullies.

I read an interview with Keef before where they asked him about Brian and he described him as "pain in the arse". I laughed at the time, funny way to describe one of your dead mates. Especially since he nicked his bird.

[CaledonianGonzo]

tonyblair, on May 28 2010, 01:13 PM, said:

I haven't seen anything resembling a decent example of them being any good since Ronnie Wood joined (that includes live shows and filmed examples...)

Check out the Handsome Girls bootleg.  Or the videos of their Hampton shows that were sliced up to create the LSTNT movie.

Or, indeed, the Some Girls album.  If it's not for you, fair enough, but I can't imagine being the massive Stones fan that I am and not having wonderful stuff like Beast of Burden and Before They Make Me Run in their discography.

There's stuff I like - along with way too much filler - on even their most recent albums.

[CaledonianGonzo]

russycarps, on May 28 2010, 01:32 PM, said:

The whole Mick, Keith, Brian thing was f**ked up. Mick and Keith were massively jealous that Brian was more talented and popular than them. I am certain that since his death they have belittled him at every opportunity. If you ask me it's Mick and Keith that are difficult to warm to. Pair of bullies.

There's probably some truth in that - but I don't think there's really much doubt that Brian's demise - as an artist, as a functioning human being - was, on the whole, self-inflicted.  

I'll take tracks like Gimmie Shelter, Moonlight Mile and Let it Loose over Her Eyes Are Like A Cup Of Tea, or whatever it's called.

[russycarps]

CaledonianGonzo, on May 28 2010, 03:25 PM, said:

There's probably some truth in that - but I don't think there's really much doubt that Brian's demise - as an artist, as a functioning human being - was, on the whole, self-inflicted.  

I'll take tracks like Gimmie Shelter, Moonlight Mile and Let it Loose over Her Eyes Are Like A Cup Of Tea, or whatever it's called.

Fair point. But in fairness he only produced that album though didnt he? I think by 1969 or whenever he did that it's fair to say his brain was frazzled beyond all hope.

The sex stories I have read about Brian are utterly sensational. Rock n roll indeed.

He's another one of those people where for the sake of his legacy dying was the best thing that could ever have happened to him.

The rolling stones in the 60s were cool as f**k.

[sifi]

russycarps, on May 28 2010, 03:50 PM, said:

He's another one of those people where for the sake of his legacy dying was the best thing that could ever have happened to him.

The only member of the Rolling Stones that Bob Dylan sang about, that's for sure.

Now your dancing child with his Chinese suit
He spoke to me, I took his flute
No, I wasn’t very cute to him, was I?
But I did it, though, because he lied
Because he took you for a ride
And because time was on his side
And because I . . .

Edited by sifimaster, 28 May 2010 - 03:06 PM.

[The Nal]

sifimaster, on May 28 2010, 04:03 PM, said:

The only member of the Rolling Stones that Bob Dylan sang about, that's for sure.

Now your dancing child with his Chinese suit
He spoke to me, I took his flute
No, I wasn’t very cute to him, was I?
But I did it, though, because he lied
Because he took you for a ride
And because time was on his side
And because I . . .

And also (maybe) Ballad of a Thin Man?

[tonyblair]

CaledonianGonzo, on May 28 2010, 03:21 PM, said:

Check out the Handsome Girls bootleg.  Or the videos of their Hampton shows that were sliced up to create the LSTNT movie.

Or, indeed, the Some Girls album.  If it's not for you, fair enough, but I can't imagine being the massive Stones fan that I am and not having wonderful stuff like Beast of Burden and Before They Make Me Run in their discography.

There's stuff I like - along with way too much filler - on even their most recent albums.

I can't listen to things like Beast Of Burden, simply because of the way Mick sings it... which is the same way he sings everything from then on in
LSTNT is awful

[sifi]

The Nal, on May 28 2010, 04:09 PM, said:

And also (maybe) Ballad of a Thin Man?

Oh no.  That was about a (many?) journalists who didn't 'get' Dylan after he started going properly surreal.  The Mr Jones reference is nothing to do with Brian, I'm fairly sure.  They were friends.

[CaledonianGonzo]

tonyblair, on May 28 2010, 04:14 PM, said:

I can't listen to things like Beast Of Burden, simply because of the way Mick sings it... which is the same way he sings everything from then on in
LSTNT is awful

Jagger's voice certainly changed around that period.  He started 'barking' a lot more when singing live, and it made its way onto a lot of the records (one of many reasons why Dirty Work is almost unlistenable, Sleep Tonight aside).  I think he started working with vocal coaches ahead of the Steel Wheels tour in 1989 and since then, for me at least, he's been pretty great on stage.

When it comes to noticing a massive difference between, say Goat's Head Soup and, say, Black'n'Blue or Some Girls, I personally don't really hear it.  More falsetto, perhaps, but that's a stylistic Philly soul/Studio 54 thing.

LSTNT ain't great - though I must admit I've not seen it for about 20 years and do quite fancy seeing it again.  The full Hampton show video that does the torrent rounds is, however, worth tracking down.

"russycarps" said:

The rolling stones in the 60s were cool as f**k.

We can certainly agree on that....

Edited by CaledonianGonzo, 28 May 2010 - 03:27 PM.

[The Nal]

There arent many Stones docs worth their salt. LSTNT is pooh pooh, apart from Keef hitting the guy with the guitar (below). Shine a Light is pants, Stones in the Park is God awful, and I have one called Live at the Max from 1991 which is possibly one of the worst dvds I own. And I own both American Pie movies on dvd.

Rock and Roll Circus is good though, but the Who beef that up big style. Cocksucker Blues is good from a shock point of view and is interesting in parts. Gimme Shelter is obviously great, but thats more of a historical thing, the actual musical performances on that are shite too.

Edited by The Nal, 28 May 2010 - 03:32 PM.

[CaledonianGonzo]

The Nal, on May 28 2010, 04:31 PM, said:

There arent many Stones docs worth their salt. LSTNT is pooh pooh, apart from Keef hitting the guy with the guitar (below). Shine a Light is pants, Stones in the Park is God awful, and I have one called Live at the Max from 1991 which is possibly one of the worst dvds I own. And I own both American Pie movies on dvd.

Rock and Roll Circus is good though, but the Who beef that up big style. Cocksucker Blues is good from a shock point of view and is interesting in parts. Gimme Shelter is obviously great, but thats more of a historical thing, the actual musical performances on that are shite too.

  

Are you sure you even like the Stones that much?  The music on Gimmie Shelter is great.  By comparison, close-harmony mod operatics about Ivor the Engine Driver just don't match up.

Anyway, this is finally getting a proper DVD/Blu Ray release in the autumn:

[Dunney77]

eFestivals, on May 28 2010, 09:29 AM, said:

I'm 95%+ sure that they were being lined-up to play, but the Stones then pulled their touring plans for this year because of Ron being on the piss and that stopping them getting insurance for the tour.

Ahhh so it wasn't money issues...small chance would could see them at the festival in the future?

[tonyblair]

  

Are you sure you even like the Stones that much?  The music on Gimmie Shelter is great.  By comparison, close-harmony mod operatics about Ivor the Engine Driver just don't match up.

Anyway, this is finally getting a proper DVD/Blu Ray release in the autumn:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmerHpthKZI

any real ( )  fan of anyone, has to recognise their deficiencies to appreciate the great bits. I probably listen to The Stones as much as any other artist, and I probably always will. Their great music is as good as anyones...

I agree with everything Nal said..

Ladies and Gentleman and Gimmie Shelter are great....

Edited by tonyblair, 31 May 2010 - 08:56 PM.