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[port]

there is about 16 to 20 in our party, usually we leave on the tuesday night and get there about 8-9 hours later.
this is so we can camp together and arrange our tents so we have a socialising space in the middle usually with gazebo.

now if someone wants to arrive on the wednesday night  and put their tent in the middle of our socialising space, because they cant be bothered to walk to the far reaches then they should bloody come earlier then.

if you think about it, this would mean we are actually reserving a place for them.

so sorry , if you want to come late, then be prepared to walk

until glastonbury ban gazebos then there is no reason security can ask you to take it down to make more room, if theres not enough room then dont sell so many tickets ,
but there is ample room, but it is a good distance from both car parks and stages. and it is for this reason that latecomers complain about apparent spaces.  

I for one would never even think about putting my tent on someones socialising space, i look upon people that do this as being the selfish ones and not the other way about.

[George Saguna]

port, on May 19 2010, 02:05 AM, said:

there is about 16 to 20 in our party, usually we leave on the tuesday night and get there about 8-9 hours later.
this is so we can camp together and arrange our tents so we have a socialising space in the middle usually with gazebo.

now if someone wants to arrive on the wednesday night  and put their tent in the middle of our socialising space, because they cant be bothered to walk to the far reaches then they should bloody come earlier then.

if you think about it, this would mean we are actually reserving a place for them.

so sorry , if you want to come late, then be prepared to walk

until glastonbury ban gazebos then there is no reason security can ask you to take it down to make more room, if theres not enough room then dont sell so many tickets ,
but there is ample room, but it is a good distance from both car parks and stages. and it is for this reason that latecomers complain about apparent spaces.  

I for one would never even think about putting my tent on someones socialising space, i look upon people that do this as being the selfish ones and not the other way about.

You do have a perfect point that if you weren't saving that space then it wouldn't be there in the first place. I  also understand that people go out of their way to be in Glasto early and yes they should be rewarded in some way for that. (look how tickets are sold, on first come first served bases). But I also understand the fact that there might be uncontrolled circumstances that effect your arrival to the festival. For example I have to travel quit a lot to get to the festival and I cant expect my friends to get there and pitch my tent for me as they will be facing the same circumstances. What happens if I miss my flight due to some f"#$@n volcano. Should there be no space for me after having had it rough to get there?
I believe that if every one had to moderate himself and help the people next to them then the world would be a better place. From all the remarks posted every one has his fair say and his own point.





now look at that and tell me if that is not a little too much, they did get the honeymooners special treatment.

Edited by George Saguna, 19 May 2010 - 01:41 AM.

[Boris]

Well yes, that pisses me off! Absolute twats.

I think there's a few people being disingenuous about this. When I say it reasonable to keep a small space for a fire and a few chairs I don't think being are being honest when they say that's 'totally selfish' etc. etc. it's really not. I'm not talking about hogging any more space than is needed for say one chair per person and a small fire.... considering I'm normally with a large group it's pretty unavoidable that in the middle of our tent circle a bit of space will be needed to get in and out and to mill about a bit. It's a bit silly to say that we shouldn't socialise by the tents at all and we must go into the festy to have a chat or a beer. Let's not be holier-than-thou about this. It's just a matter of not taking the piss and just hopefully having enough room to sit & enjoy a relaxing beer or several... it's part of being at a festy and nearly everyone loves doing it!

I remember once seeing some stards with a massive area cordoned off for almost 2 days and about two small tents inside plus a real 3 piece suite! Almost funny... but not!

[LEDZEP66]

It is a tough one

Every time I've been I've had no space around my tent when I back from my first wander. It hasn't really bothered me because if I'm awake I'm normally away from the tent anyway.

This year however there isn't many bands I want to see early doors so chilling around the tent will be good. We are buying a new tent from Millets, a little 2 man one for a tenner. It may be used to store our gear in but hopefully we won't need the extra space. The plan is to put it up first thing then come Friday when most people are in we can take it down if everyone has parked their tents right next to us. This will give us a little area in front of our tent, just enough space for 3 chairs but thats all we will need.

[mandypants]

I was pretty shocked to see a couple on Michael's Mead who had set up their tent with a little garden, complete with picket fence, barbeque and everything.  Extremely unfair when space is at a premium.  We had a space, probably the size of a four man tent, which we shared between 10 of us for chilling out space in the evening, which I don't think is unreasonable, a bit of consideration means everything.

[twoflower]

Its a bit of a catch 22 really isn't it last year some camping areas where so rammed the only way to move across them where through the little social spaces and under gazebos without them if something major happened getting help there quickly would have been near impossible.

But that said if it wasn't for these areas there might have been more space so easier to move?

Personally I think any available space not reserved would quickly get rammed with tents specially in the popular areas like Pennards and would quickly become a risk to health and safety, so I guess it comes down to not taking the piss don't pile up and rope of far more space than you need just to have a sit down space likewise don't roll up Thursday and expect to camp in some of the busier areas.

[cejx]

port, on May 19 2010, 01:05 AM, said:

there is about 16 to 20 in our party, usually we leave on the tuesday night and get there about 8-9 hours later.
this is so we can camp together and arrange our tents so we have a socialising space in the middle usually with gazebo.

now if someone wants to arrive on the wednesday night  and put their tent in the middle of our socialising space, because they cant be bothered to walk to the far reaches then they should bloody come earlier then.

if you think about it, this would mean we are actually reserving a place for them.

so sorry , if you want to come late, then be prepared to walk

until glastonbury ban gazebos then there is no reason security can ask you to take it down to make more room, if theres not enough room then dont sell so many tickets ,
but there is ample room, but it is a good distance from both car parks and stages. and it is for this reason that latecomers complain about apparent spaces.  

I for one would never even think about putting my tent on someones socialising space, i look upon people that do this as being the selfish ones and not the other way about.

Holts last year, security were making people take down their Gazebos due to lack of space.

A few years ago, 2 girls pitched up on our campfire.  There was fcuk all we could do about it, and no point whinging about it.    The main problem I see is that 2 people bring a four + man tent plus desire 'socialising' space too.  Its not about making more camping space - or even selling less tickets.  Its about being a tad less selfish with the amount of 'land' you need for that 5 days!

Tape should under no circumstances be used, and the little gardens although cute are a right pain in the arse.

[GingerRock]

I always find somewhere decent to camp for me and the missus. Usually in the popular areas too. We might wander about a while, moan a bit about the lack of space, but always find somewhere. Usually with enough space for a couple of chairs out front. Even when we've turned up and thought oh cock it's full, with a bit of wandering about oh my part I find somewhere.

I don't care if people want gazebos, BBQs, camp fires, space for mates, etc. If they want to carry BBQ, gazebos, firewood, etc, from the car, best of luck to them. That would be lovely but I can't be arsed personally. I just need somewhere to sleep. Sometimes it's nice to have a sit down near the tent with some beer.

What I really don't like is all the taped off areas. OK, maybe on the first night, until your mates get there. But then take the stuff down please! Otherwise it trips people up, and will probably just get taken down anyway. This is Michael Eavis's farm. It's not a little extension of your back garden. People are allowed to walk around your tent. Learn to share.

Peas + Muff.

Edited by GingerRock, 19 May 2010 - 08:43 AM.

[caramello]

With all the extra space this year it shouldnt be a prob, if you need more room then pitch further 'out of town', longer walk in but you get to sit down at camp. Cant have it both ways.
Tape twats should be held face down in the urinals!

[marktea]

port, on May 19 2010, 01:05 AM, said:

there is about 16 to 20 in our party, usually we leave on the tuesday night and get there about 8-9 hours later.
this is so we can camp together and arrange our tents so we have a socialising space in the middle usually with gazebo.

now if someone wants to arrive on the wednesday night  and put their tent in the middle of our socialising space, because they cant be bothered to walk to the far reaches then they should bloody come earlier then.

if you think about it, this would mean we are actually reserving a place for them.

so sorry , if you want to come late, then be prepared to walk

until glastonbury ban gazebos then there is no reason security can ask you to take it down to make more room, if theres not enough room then dont sell so many tickets ,
but there is ample room, but it is a good distance from both car parks and stages. and it is for this reason that latecomers complain about apparent spaces.  

I for one would never even think about putting my tent on someones socialising space, i look upon people that do this as being the selfish ones and not the other way about.

Has been said many times elsewhere but gazebos are not allowed.  Clearly the rule is not strictly enforced but anyone who brings one can have no complaints if they are asked to take it down.

This is from the camping section of the festival website:

"- Please do not take up too much space when setting up camp. And please, please do not bring a gazebo. They needlessly take up valuable camping space (and there are plenty of more interesting places to sit at the Festival than just outside your tent)."

[GingerRock]

marktea, on May 19 2010, 09:52 AM, said:

Has been said many times elsewhere but gazebos are not allowed.  Clearly the rule is not strictly enforced but anyone who brings one can have no complaints if they are asked to take it down.

This is from the camping section of the festival website:

"- Please do not take up too much space when setting up camp. And please, please do not bring a gazebo. They needlessly take up valuable camping space (and there are plenty of more interesting places to sit at the Festival than just outside your tent)."

Sorry to be a pedantic cock, but that doesn't really say gazebos are banned. It's more of a gentle, fluffy request that you don't bring them.

I don't really care either way, but if they want to ban gazebos, they should. And make people take them down. How about maybe banning them from the more central and popular campsites? But, then people would just bring bigger tents instead.

Ban taping-off of areas though. And get people round cutting the tape down.

Can of worms officially now open ;-)

[p.pete]

Should there be fields marked as "gazebo free" eg Holts / Pennards / Dragons etc which are normally more high density anyway.  People can have the choice then when setting up camp of using a lower density area - and have then have security on wednesday and thursday going round requesting they be taken down.

[Ponyegg]

twoflower, on May 19 2010, 09:19 AM, said:

Its a bit of a catch 22 really isn't it last year some camping areas where so rammed the only way to move across them where through the little social spaces and under gazebos without them if something major happened getting help there quickly would have been near impossible.

Walking through social spaces is totally acceptable, and in my book to be encouraged. It enables you to say hello to people and join in the fun. Socialising areas are not private areas even if people do tape them off.

We take around 8 tents down and arrange them around the flag pole. The space we make in the center of the tents would be about enough to fit a small 3 person tent in. We position ourselves centrally in a field about 10-15 tents in from the edge. The space around the flag pole is used to store rubbish/recycling bags mainly (12+ people can produce a lot of empty cans/food etc), we do not have a camp fire as there is simply not enough space to safely have one, we ensure we do not take up too much space primarily because it's not fair on others arriving late but we do feel that small area for morning and evening socialising is prefectly acceptable. Whilst I understand that some people spend all their time in front of stages and have little need for such space some people don't, horses for courses, live and let live and various other platitudes.

We try to position the tents such that there are logical footpaths through our space and ensure that guy ropes are not positioned to trip people up. We do not tape our space off or have a gazebo nor do we put up the increasingly popular wind breaks, or indeed the picket fence. We always make a point of saying hello to anyone walking through our small space and have occasionally harboured those stuck in the middle of storms. We say hello to all of our neighbours and share our provisions with them and help where we can especially during pitch/arrival-day, we've also been know to supply other 'camps' with Hot Chocolate + Jack Daniels night-time warmers.

[marktea]

GingerRock, on May 19 2010, 10:03 AM, said:

Sorry to be a pedantic cock, but that doesn't really say gazebos are banned. It's more of a gentle, fluffy request that you don't bring them.

I don't really care either way, but if they want to ban gazebos, they should. And make people take them down. How about maybe banning them from the more central and popular campsites? But, then people would just bring bigger tents instead.

Ban taping-off of areas though. And get people round cutting the tape down.

Can of worms officially now open ;-)

Well gazebos are included in the "What not to bring" list on the website. The other items on that list are:

Food and alcohol other than that for personal consumption
Items that may be used in an illegal or offensive manner, including laser equipment or pens
Glass bottles
Animals
Fireworks
Unauthorised professional film or video equipment
Sound systems

In that context the message is very clear. Sure its not one of the more serious categories on that list, but the fact that they have bothered to include gazebos in that list at all tells you something. In particular it should tell you not to be surprised if you are asked to take it down.

[Bernsville]

How about stop f**king whinging!   There is plenty of space on the site for campfires, gazebo's etc.  Every year i see acres of space at paines etc.  Also quite why anyone wants to make their tent a meeting ground is beyond me.  There are far better places to hang out with your mates than the camping areas.  
I blame all these arguments on those "Where are you gonna camp" threads.  Making people think that they and their 20 strong entourage must be camped together on Pennards etc , else the festival will be shit.
It really doesn't matter where you camp, unless you are in a family or disabled.  Everywhere has the same eclectic mix of people be they friendly/nobheads/pissheads/cool/quiet/noisy etc.  There is plenty of space for everyone and their own little set ups. If there's a space camp on it, if not find a space - that should be the only rule.

[Rufus Gwertigan]

marktea, on May 19 2010, 10:28 AM, said:

Well gazebos are included in the "What not to bring" list on the website. The other items on that list are:

Food and alcohol other than that for personal consumption
Items that may be used in an illegal or offensive manner, including laser equipment or pens
Glass bottles
Animals
Fireworks
Unauthorised professional film or video equipment
Sound systems

In that context the message is very clear. Sure its not one of the more serious categories on that list, but the fact that they have bothered to include gazebos in that list at all tells you something. In particular it should tell you not to be surprised if you are asked to take it down.

To be pedantic Gazebo's are not banned, they just ask you to "please don't bring them". The banned items are in the Fine Guide.

Quote

Only food & alcohol for personal consumption can be brought into the site.
Please don’t bring any glass bottles. They are dangerous and will be confiscated. Do not bring
anything that would cause unnecessary rubbish. You may be searched at the entrance for any
items that may be used in an illegal or offensive manner - which will be confiscated. Persons
suspected of carrying out illegal and/or offensive activities onsite may also be searched and face
eviction. No portable laser equipment or pens are permitted. No animals (except registered guide
dogs), sound systems, generators, sky lanterns or kites, unauthorised fireworks, or wax flares, large
fires or burning of plastic will be allowed on site. Persons using fireworks will be evicted from site
and materials confiscated. No unauthorised tape recorders, professional film or video equipment
are allowed onsite. Cameras for personal use are welcome. Ticket holders consent to the filming
and sound recording of themselves as part of the audience. CCTV will be used on site. Images
will be monitored for the purposes of public safety, crowd management and crime prevention.
For further information, contact Site Office, Worthy Farm, Pilton, BA4 4BY. The cost of the ticket
includes camping (apart from Sunday tickets), musical and non-musical performances.

^^^that is what forms the T&C's of your ticket, not the website.

Edited by Rufus Gwertigan, 19 May 2010 - 11:29 AM.

[mikeb]

marktea, on May 19 2010, 09:52 AM, said:

Has been said many times elsewhere but gazebos are not allowed.  Clearly the rule is not strictly enforced but anyone who brings one can have no complaints if they are asked to take it down.

This is from the camping section of the festival website:

"- Please do not take up too much space when setting up camp. And please, please do not bring a gazebo. They needlessly take up valuable camping space (and there are plenty of more interesting places to sit at the Festival than just outside your tent)."

Exxxxcellent ... thanks for posting that cos you've said exactly what I was about to post but in a much more civilised fashion as I was bl**dy fuming at the cheek after reading the original post

So, Mr.Port (the original poster) and other gazebo lovers now you've been told in no uncertain terms that bringing your bl**dy gazebo and/or generally taking up way too much camping space for non-camping purposes *IS* technically not really acceptable so to speak ... do you still consider that blatant ignoring a perfectly reasonable request from the festival organisers still means that it's YOU who is being totally reasonable and unselfish whereas anyone trying to use your unreasonable and totally unnecessary "reserved" space for it's intended use (i.e. camping) are the peeps being completely unreasonable ? You don't bring a huge F/O great flag to hold up at the stages, stacks of linked chairs to spread around and several miles of tape to ho round your exclusive private camping or stage viewing areas as well do you by any chance

Making reasonable use of valuable space is all that's being asked for by anyone, festival organisers and festival-goers alike.  Greed and selfishness is not, or rather should not, be what a festival is all about - esp a festival like Glasto.  There really isn't a particularly good excuse for taking up a stupidly large amount of space in any way if doing so simply means that other peeps who have just as much right to a reasonable amount of space as you do are forced to go without.  It really doesn't matter whether it's way too big and largely unused tents, gazebos, massive sitty down areas, spare tents, corralled exclusive areas or whatever does it  ...  the key points are reasonable use and having consideration for others and all that

I'm always 100% against banning stuff or having what should be totally unnecessary rules 'n' regs etc. but with some of the attitudes being demonstrated in here, it's pretty easy to see that times have changed and bans ultimately become the only way to keep things sensible. Flags, gazebos, 'wasted' space, chairs in the 'wrong' place, fires, bringing in your own booze ... all likely to be officially banned in due course I would suggest and simply because some/many peeps just don't seem able to act reasonably and responsibly or show consideration for others any more

Edited by mikeb, 19 May 2010 - 11:28 AM.

[GingerRock]

marktea, on May 19 2010, 10:28 AM, said:

Well gazebos are included in the "What not to bring" list on the website. The other items on that list are:

Food and alcohol other than that for personal consumption
Items that may be used in an illegal or offensive manner, including laser equipment or pens
Glass bottles
Animals
Fireworks
Unauthorised professional film or video equipment
Sound systems

In that context the message is very clear. Sure its not one of the more serious categories on that list, but the fact that they have bothered to include gazebos in that list at all tells you something. In particular it should tell you not to be surprised if you are asked to take it down.

OK. My mistake. Sorry. Thanks for the clarification.

[r0cky]

Rufus Gwertigan, on May 19 2010, 11:17 AM, said:

To be pedantic Gazebo's are not banned, they just ask you to "please don't bring them". The banned items are in the Fine Guide.

Just about to say the same.  The items on the banned list are enforced by security (random searches at the gates for example).

[Funkyfairy!]

Why are people so insistent about camping with all their friends (maybe I'm missing the point)

We camped with a couple of friends last year, but pitched their tents before they arrived. (and in the campsite above Wicket ground, right at the back)

But other friends who we spent the whole festival with were in a different field, and another set somewhere else. We all met up during the day and the evening... people would pop round to our tent in the morning for a cuppa ... and we just all went our seperate ways to sleep - wandering back and making our own enjoyment on the way

We didn;t need to be glued onto all our friends for the weekend. When back at camp we chatted to the neighbours, had a beer and were not unsocaiable in just our little 'friends' group.