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[judyblue110]

Zewski, on Apr 1 2010, 08:51 PM, said:

Finally signed up to this site after 2 years of following posts daily.

I just wanted to say, who really gives a f**k what 'musicians' do in the personal lifes. I'm a libertines fan, and by that I am looking forward to seeing them on stage. I am some what skeptical as I think it could be as bad as it could be good. But seriously, everything pete has done which is covered in the media hasn't stopped me from going to his shows for the music that not only he makes but carl makes, gary makes and john makes.

You don't need to like someone as a person to like the music, and you also don't know a person from headlines.

True, but Doherty has kept his career alive off of what he does in his "private" life....

[Vieuphoria]

not true.

But believe what you will..

[Kyelo]

judyblue110, on Apr 1 2010, 10:22 PM, said:

True, but Doherty has kept his career alive off of what he does in his "private" life....

+1 totally true, as the old saying goes "Any publicity is good publicity"

[Vieuphoria]

again...

not true but believe what you will

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

People seem to think that Doherty has just become famous because of his private life. He was famous before the drugs (admittedly not as famous but still) and when he left The Libertines, barely any record label would look at him and Babyshambles. Through the strength of their music, they worked themselves up.

[k1n60fthew0rld]

Vieuphoria, on Apr 1 2010, 11:01 PM, said:

again...

not true but believe what you will

thesecretingredientiscrime, on Apr 1 2010, 11:02 PM, said:

People seem to think that Doherty has just become famous because of his private life. He was famous before the drugs (admittedly not as famous but still) and when he left The Libertines, barely any record label would look at him and Babyshambles. Through the strength of their music, they worked themselves up.

Vieuphoria any backup to this statement?

And it's easy to say Doherty's behavior has both compromised and helped his career in different ways. He's a household name because of the drugs and his very public relationship with Kate Moss. I think it can be compared in someway to the publicity Peter Andre got after his divorce, the new album and the modeling contract brought about due to extra publicity. However, I think public opinion of Doherty is low, and I think for this reason he probably isn't as much of a legend as he could be, and viewed generally as a twat who will kill himself, and if as you've said there, record labels would look at Babyshambles, it's possible that his reputation has compromised his career there.

Glad I brought this topic up now

Edited by k1n60fthew0rld, 01 April 2010 - 11:10 PM.

[stylishkids]

You can't compare Peter Andre to Doherty. There completly different people and completly fanbases that they attract. The libertines got to the standing and fanbase they got from their music. Babyshambles were after the Libertines when Dohertys media life was at its highest, but did the record sales go hand to hand with the increase in media? No. The babyshambles album did worse than the Libs album. Andre's would have increased because he's market fanbase will lap it up much easier. Indie fans aren't like that. They're much more serious and care about their music and tho some will have an effect on higher sales, the amount will be extremly small compared to manufactured pop. Jamie Hince's publicity sky rocketed when he started appearing in the media a lot, but did the Kills do any better? NO Did the Gossip's second album do well after Beth Ditto's increased exposure in the media? NO. They're completly different music buyers, don't lump them both together. The libertines are where they are because there is a large amount of music followers who want them to play. Not becuase he's taking large amount of drugs or gone out with Kate Moss. Because of the music!!!!

[eonerf]

To put it simply, Pete Doherty is a twat!

Surprised he hasn't learnt his lesson considering the fact they split-up first time round due to his antics.

[k1n60fthew0rld]

stylishkids, on Apr 1 2010, 11:32 PM, said:

You can't compare Peter Andre to Doherty. There completly different people and completly fanbases that they attract. The libertines got to the standing and fanbase they got from their music. Babyshambles were after the Libertines when Dohertys media life was at its highest, but did the record sales go hand to hand with the increase in media? No. The babyshambles album did worse than the Libs album. Andre's would have increased because he's market fanbase will lap it up much easier. Indie fans aren't like that. They're much more serious and care about their music and tho some will have an effect on higher sales, the amount will be extremly small compared to manufactured pop. Jamie Hince's publicity sky rocketed when he started appearing in the media a lot, but did the Kills do any better? NO Did the Gossip's second album do well after Beth Ditto's increased exposure in the media? NO. They're completly different music buyers, don't lump them both together. The libertines are where they are because there is a large amount of music followers who want them to play. Not becuase he's taking large amount of drugs or gone out with Kate Moss. Because of the music!!!!

Evidently though, Andre's return also flopped. The effect I was trying to do draw upon is that media has a giant effect on, at the very least the big wigs at the top of production companies. You've got to agree that by publicising yourself in any way, is at the very least going to get people to give you a go (musically ). Surely the more people that know about a person the more likely he is to be successful?

I honestly think that the mention of Beth Ditto actually was the other way round, her public appearances when promoting the first album helped her popularity - and the bands. Appearing on, amongst others, the Friday Night Project (viewed by her target audience) raised her popularity because people liked her public appearance, then her performance of Standing in the Way of Control was remembered because it was "that fat girl who did that program with Alan Carr".

It's the same as, if I said to my mum, what do you know about Pete Doherty, she'd come out with well wasn't he that smackhead that went out with Kate Moss. Doherty's fame in the last 5 years has nothing to do with Babyshambles or the Libertines, by keeping his face in the public eye because of his behavior, he's remained in everybody's head - increasing the likelihood of a massive reunion. In my eyes anyway.

I love debating on this forum, but I feel I should say again, I'm not in any way agitated, just interested in a bit of discussion

[Vieuphoria]

Andre's return hasn't flopped... he is playing the O2 Arena and had a number one album

[stylishkids]

k1n60fthew0rld, on Apr 2 2010, 01:09 AM, said:

Evidently though, Andre's return also flopped. The effect I was trying to do draw upon is that media has a giant effect on, at the very least the big wigs at the top of production companies. You've got to agree that by publicising yourself in any way, is at the very least going to get people to give you a go (musically ). Surely the more people that know about a person the more likely he is to be successful?

I honestly think that the mention of Beth Ditto actually was the other way round, her public appearances when promoting the first album helped her popularity - and the bands. Appearing on, amongst others, the Friday Night Project (viewed by her target audience) raised her popularity because people liked her public appearance, then her performance of Standing in the Way of Control was remembered because it was "that fat girl who did that program with Alan Carr".

It's the same as, if I said to my mum, what do you know about Pete Doherty, she'd come out with well wasn't he that smackhead that went out with Kate Moss. Doherty's fame in the last 5 years has nothing to do with Babyshambles or the Libertines, by keeping his face in the public eye because of his behavior, he's remained in everybody's head - increasing the likelihood of a massive reunion. In my eyes anyway.

I love debating on this forum, but I feel I should say again, I'm not in any way agitated, just interested in a bit of discussion

I think Andres return did well. Last I heard he'd just announced a arena tour so his marketing and public relations compartment must have done a very good job considering he's only got a few tracks out that the majority of people have heard.

For the Beth Ditto thing, I think the main reason why the Gossip did well was due to Standing in control been the main track on Skins. This brought it into the younger generation which meant it got banged on the radio 1 A list and everybody heard it. This wouldn't have being the only reason why it did well though, but because its a great track and catchy. The album didn't do so well because the fact is she can't be exposured and marketed in the way JLS and the saturdays are. Shes part of an indie band whos musical sales will be linked to her musical output.

Yeah and I know that everyone knows Doherty. But the fact is your mum, my mam and most peoples wouldn't have bought his music and bought his concert tickets. Public exposure doesn't = record sales and high festival placings. The reunion would have been helped by his public exposure but the fact is his exposure doesn't mean that people fork out £80 for his day ticket at the fest. Remaining in peoples head can shift newspapers but it doesn't shift records and tours. Thats his musical career and why libertines are second on the bill and could headline the thing.

[judyblue110]

Vieuphoria, on Apr 2 2010, 12:01 AM, said:

again...

not true but believe what you will

Well it is true.

This isn't opinion. The facts are in plain vision on a daily basis in the papers for everyone to see, and they have been for the last few years.

The media scandal is the only thing that has kept Doherty in the spotlight. Without drugs, Kate Moss, and whatever else he's wasting his life on every year, the majority of people wouldn't even know who he is.

[ILLEG4L]

stylishkids, on Apr 2 2010, 12:32 AM, said:

You can't compare Peter Andre to Doherty. There completly different people and completly fanbases that they attract. The libertines got to the standing and fanbase they got from their music. Babyshambles were after the Libertines when Dohertys media life was at its highest, but did the record sales go hand to hand with the increase in media? No. The babyshambles album did worse than the Libs album. Andre's would have increased because he's market fanbase will lap it up much easier. Indie fans aren't like that. They're much more serious and care about their music and tho some will have an effect on higher sales, the amount will be extremly small compared to manufactured pop. Jamie Hince's publicity sky rocketed when he started appearing in the media a lot, but did the Kills do any better? NO Did the Gossip's second album do well after Beth Ditto's increased exposure in the media? NO. They're completly different music buyers, don't lump them both together. The libertines are where they are because there is a large amount of music followers who want them to play. Not becuase he's taking large amount of drugs or gone out with Kate Moss. Because of the music!!!!

+1

hail hail. nuff said

[thesecretingredientiscrime]

judyblue110, on Apr 2 2010, 09:03 AM, said:

Well it is true.

This isn't opinion. The facts are in plain vision on a daily basis in the papers for everyone to see, and they have been for the last few years.

The media scandal is the only thing that has kept Doherty in the spotlight. Without drugs, Kate Moss, and whatever else he's wasting his life on every year, the majority of people wouldn't even know who he is.

Yes they would! Pete, in bands or solo has had 16 releases that have charted in the top 20. His music isn't exactly unknown, just look at The Libertines reunion.

And it isn't fact, it's your opinion. The amount of people that have said they're buying day tickets for Reading because of The Libertines shows that people are actually interested in his music and know who he is as a musician as Stylishkids very rightly and truely said.

[Role Model]

rather Peter Andre was playing Reading.

[judyblue110]

thesecretingredientiscrime, on Apr 2 2010, 11:12 AM, said:

Yes they would! Pete, in bands or solo has had 16 releases that have charted in the top 20. His music isn't exactly unknown, just look at The Libertines reunion.

And it isn't fact, it's your opinion. The amount of people that have said they're buying day tickets for Reading because of The Libertines shows that people are actually interested in his music and know who he is as a musician as Stylishkids very rightly and truely said.

Number 1:
"Pete, in bands or solo has had 16 releases that have charted in the top 20. "
Because he's had as much media coverage as Jordan's breasts, due to the fact he's a junkie.

Number 2:
"The amount of people that have said they're buying day tickets for Reading because of The Libertines shows that people are actually interested in his music and know who he is as a musician as Stylishkids very rightly and truely said."
Indeed. Reunion's always get attention, even ones like this where it's just for the moolah. Do ya think people would be buying day tickets if it was Pete Doherty playing, sport?   Naw, didn't think so...

[Vieuphoria]

Yeah because day tickets wouldn't sell out if it was just Robert Plant instead of Led Zepplin...

and no i'm not comparing the bands.

[Zewski]

eonerf, on Apr 2 2010, 12:32 AM, said:

To put it simply, Pete Doherty is a twat!

Surprised he hasn't learnt his lesson considering the fact they split-up first time round due to his antics.

To put it simply, you judge that on media headlines.

Its stupid to say hes charted in the top 20 due to bad (or in your eyes good) media attention. I understand there are some scenesters out there that just jump on the dohery bandwagan, but the same goes the hating. The most important thing for me is that I think hes very talented, enjoy the libertines and don't give a shit about what the media has to say. I am not going to say someone is a twat when i have never met them.

[judyblue110]

Vieuphoria, on Apr 2 2010, 01:26 PM, said:

Yeah because day tickets wouldn't sell out if it was just Robert Plant instead of Led Zepplin...

and no i'm not comparing the bands.

Oh right, here's me thinking we were talking about that junkie Pete Doherty! Jeez! I feel really stupid now!

Ohwaitaminute...

Sorry, I just had to edit this to say, I'm seriously, sincerely, honestly, truthfully, 100% struggling to comprehend what you were trying to achieve with that post. That makes no sense. At all.  

Robert Plant isn't in question here. What did he do to you to have himself compared to that waster?

Edited by judyblue110, 02 April 2010 - 12:47 PM.

[bootsbroadbent]

Swellx, on Apr 1 2010, 02:42 PM, said:

EVERYONE KNOWS ITS WRONG! But what do you expect with Pete. He's a complete twat and does stupid things like this, but you've got to see the funny side in a way and not be such miserable durks.

I don't really understand where the funny side is? To me everything he does just makes me think he's more and more of a idiot. I don't really care much for him at all, I think there are people much more deserving of £1.5 million