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[Bradders]

This is an argument not worth having, everybody's already made their mind up.

I do have one point though. People saying nobody will care about the Libertines in 20 years, won't be respected etc. That's just ridiculous. You can see from threads like this that people are massively influenced and fanatically obsessed by them. Nirvana (or any band you want to use) were important to you as a child, as you've grown up, they've become legendary. The Libertines are equally important to us. In 20 years we'll be 40ish and the ones 'deciding' who's legendary enough to go into halls of fame... The older generation in the 70s were saying the new punk bands would be forgotten about soon and were nothing on Elvis. Somebody (I forget who) famously said Rock 'n' Roll was a fad and would be gone by June, now most modern music is influenced by it. It's typical of new bands who inspire the younger generation to not get any respect.

Someone will now come back saying something like they're 22 and they don't like the Libertines. That's not my point. Simply that in 20 years they will be remembered because they're so loved by so many now.

[silencio]

agreeing with bradders here.
i also can't believe all those who hate peter so much have wasted minutes of their lives arguing about how shit he is! seriously, i even feel like a twat for writing this and i'm talking about my hero... not having a dig, just mean, put things into perspective, he's not an evil man. let us all be giddy!

[dunny]

Of course a lot of the die hard fans will remember them, but they will not go down in history with Kurt, The Rolling Stones, The beatles, Led Zep, Queen, The Sex Pistols, as being a fantasic, hugely influential band.

[jazzaz]

dunny, on Apr 8 2010, 01:30 AM, said:

Of course a lot of the die hard fans will remember them, but they will not go down in history with Kurt, The Rolling Stones, The beatles, Led Zep, Queen, The Sex Pistols, as being a fantasic, hugely influential band.

yea they will

[Vieuphoria]

dunny, on Apr 8 2010, 02:30 AM, said:

Of course a lot of the die hard fans will remember them, but they will not go down in history with Kurt, The Rolling Stones, The beatles, Led Zep, Queen, The Sex Pistols, as being a fantasic, hugely influential band.

Time machine or...?

[judyblue110]

jazzaz, on Apr 8 2010, 03:23 AM, said:

yea they will

Really? I can't name anything substantial they've influenced apart from drug use and the growth in popularity of Kate Moss.

They'll be a cult band, remembered by the few, the loyal.

[dunny]

They will have influenced a few indie bands with the same shelf life as a copy of NME magazine.

[judyblue110]

dunny, on Apr 8 2010, 03:15 PM, said:

They will have influenced a few indie bands with the same shelf life as a copy of NME magazine.

Haha, exactly!!!

That's why I said substantial!

Kinda wonder where all those gash bands disappeared to though. I'll look out for them on the Never Mind The Buzzcocks "Which of these people is ex-gash band singer _______" lineup.

[jump]

People will remember Pete more than The Libertines, just look at their side projects.

[dunny]

Vieuphoria, on Apr 8 2010, 02:38 PM, said:

Time machine or...?

They are examples or musicians who have gone down in history, obviously they will be old as only time can tell how they will be remembered.

[mooseman]

its just stupid to say they will not be remembered just because you don't like them. They are one of the biggest bands to come out of the "Indie" label and the past ten years, they would have probably been huge had they not split up when they did. Also you don't have a mystical crystal f**king ball and have no idea what will happen in the future.

I'm not even a fan ffs, but IMO they will be remembered along with the arctic monkeys as the indie bands from the 00s just like Blur and Oasis are remembered as the 2 big brit pop bands from the 90s.

[judyblue110]

mooseman, on Apr 8 2010, 03:52 PM, said:

its just stupid to say they will not be remembered just because you don't like them. They are one of the biggest bands to come out of the "Indie" label and the past ten years, they would have probably been huge had they not split up when they did. Also you don't have a mystical crystal f**king ball and have no idea what will happen in the future.

I'm not even a fan ffs, but IMO they will be remembered along with the arctic monkeys as the indie bands from the 00s just like Blur and Oasis are remembered as the 2 big brit pop bands from the 90s.

The Arctic... who???!

[stylishkids]

Bradders summed it up at the top of the page nicely.

His status at this time is high and why should it change to pratically nothing? Up the Bracket though only released 8 years ago is still regarded extremly highly placing high on several end of decade lists and I see no reason why it should change in the next 8 or 8 after that. You can't exactly predict where there going to be in 20/30 years but you can have a good idea based on ethir current standing. Albums and Artists 50/60 years ago who have been big at that time are still remembered highly and most bands grow in stature and status not decline. Only artists and bands go from been percieved as genrally not much to highly placed in time not the other way round. FFS The Velvet Underground and Nico flopped when it came out, but is now remembered as one of the greatest albums of all time. Why the heck should an album remembered so highly by many people now be any different in time? Stop letting your hatred for him blind your judgement.

[dunny]

stylishkids, on Apr 8 2010, 05:10 PM, said:

Bradders summed it up at the top of the page nicely.

His status at this time is high and why should it change to pratically nothing? Up the Bracket though only released 8 years ago is still regarded extremly highly placing high on several end of decade lists and I see no reason why it should change in the next 8 or 8 after that. You can't exactly predict where there going to be in 20/30 years but you can have a good idea based on ethir current standing. Albums and Artists 50/60 years ago who have been big at that time are still remembered highly and most bands grow in stature and status not decline. Only artists and bands go from been percieved as genrally not much to highly placed in time not the other way round. FFS The Velvet Underground and Nico flopped when it came out, but is now remembered as one of the greatest albums of all time. Why the heck should an album remembered so highly by many people now be any different in time? Stop letting your hatred for him blind your judgement.

The only list where it is ranked highly was NME if I remember correctly? The reason they are so big is down to the media, and Pete being a Dick. When the media moves on and all that uis left is his music I think people will see it for what it is, quite catchy, but nothing all that special or new.

[stylishkids]

dunny, on Apr 8 2010, 05:16 PM, said:

The only list where it is ranked highly was NME if I remember correctly? The reason they are so big is down to the media, and Pete being a Dick. When the media moves on and all that uis left is his music I think people will see it for what it is, quite catchy, but nothing all that special or new.

The media I presume you talk about is the tabliods which judge his actions in regards to something stupid/outrageous. The fans judge it in terms of his musical output which will be what he's remembered for. Theres no reason why I should rate Up the Bracket highly if he's in the tabliods, it makes no sense whatsoever and that is why others rate his work highly his musical output. And it was in lists by Uncut, Mojo etc..

Anyway this threads gone on far too long....

[silencio]

First of all, Peter met Kate after the Libs split... So I think it's highly irrelevant.
When the Libertines were together, they had one of the most loyal and dedicated fanbases I've ever known, they had a connection with the fans like no other band. They were special, not your average Franz Ferdinand, or whatever.
People believed in them enough to put up with the drugs, no shows, bust ups etc. it was about the music, and it still is. All I'm gonna say is, just wait til Reading and Leeds, you'll all see...

[Bradders]

dunny, on Apr 8 2010, 05:16 PM, said:

The only list where it is ranked highly was NME if I remember correctly? The reason they are so big is down to the media, and Pete being a Dick. When the media moves on and all that uis left is his music I think people will see it for what it is, quite catchy, but nothing all that special or new.

It's quite patronising of you to say that because you don't like them, the only possible reason we do is because we lap up the media hype  

It's like patting someone on the head and going "you'll understand when you're older"...

[rexclark]

In any other time period The Libertines would be forgotton about, but being around at a time where British guitar music lacking behind our American counterparts means that they will be remebered whether fondly or not.

[lme]

Of course the Libertines will be remembered. As said above, they were hugely influential.  I grew up listening to Patti Smith, the Velvet Underground & the Stooges.  During the 80s / early 90s I was listening to the Pogues, the Bad Seeds & Jane's Addiction. I'd pretty much given up on music by the mid 90s and the Libertines were the band that got me listening to it again.  I'm pretty sure I wouldn't be going to Reading or Leeds if they weren't playing.