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JonnyHarper, on Mar 16 2010, 06:38 PM, said:

Atmosphere killer? They're one of the best live bands around, no question

They're bloody brilliant, finally someone with sense.


Anyone who's seen them will know that half the shite people have posted on here is so wrong. The album live is completely in another dimension in terms of entertainment and ' Rocking out', not what people have described.

I'm not sucking ass, but don't judge their live performance by their only album.

And i'd love to see Qotsa

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QUOTE (JonnyHarper @ Mar 16 2010, 06:38 PM)
Atmosphere killer? They're one of the best live bands around, no question

They're bloody brilliant, finally someone with sense.

IMO a festival subheadliner should be someone with crossover appeal, hit songs & ideally more than one album. I'm sure the audiences at their own gigs are both enttusiastic & attentive. A festival audience is very different, even big, famous bands can lose an audience through playing a setlist full of shit no-one's heard (look at RHCP in 08'). TCV playing for an hour plus without any hits, to an audience of whom the majoirty haven't heard the album?? Not in a subheadline spot. There's a world of difference between playing a 'secret' gig, mid-afternoon in a tent & being 2nd from top in front of AC/DC's crowd & after a day of bands.

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theramm, on Mar 16 2010, 08:23 PM, said:

IMO a festival subheadliner should be someone with crossover appeal, hit songs & ideally more than one album. I'm sure the audiences at their own gigs are both enttusiastic & attentive. A festival audience is very different, even big, famous bands can lose an audience through playing a setlist full of shit no-one's heard (look at RHCP in 08'). TCV playing for an hour plus without any hits, to an audience of whom the majoirty haven't heard the album?? Not in a subheadline spot. There's a world of difference between playing a 'secret' gig, mid-afternoon in a tent & being 2nd from top in front of AC/DC's crowd & after a day of bands.

Albums been out since Nov 17th or something. Hardly as if any1 hasn't had a chance to listen to it. A second installment will more than likely be out then. Number 13 in the UK album charts, considering that these types of albums don't normally make the charts because people don't tend to rush out and buy music as soon as it comes out, added to the fact a lot will illegally download or just stream online. (No1 in the UK rock chart).

If u don't like them don't go and see them, but don't underestimate them. I bet there will be an awful lot of people there to see them who will be blown away by them.

Apparently totally blown out of proportion, like a lot of things on this board.

[theramm]

[quote]Albums been out since Nov 17th or something. Hardly as if any1 hasn't had a chance to listen to it.[/quote
Not debating that, everyone had ample chance. They just chose not to.

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theramm, on Mar 16 2010, 09:05 PM, said:

Not debating that, everyone had ample chance. They just chose not to.

They obviously did with the chart position proving that. Not bad for a debut album...

My point exactly about people making statements based on personal taste, dismissing them out of hand without giving them a proper airing.

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kev1664, on Mar 16 2010, 10:12 PM, said:

They obviously did with the chart position proving that. Not bad for a debut album...

My point exactly about people making statements based on personal taste, dismissing them out of hand without giving them a proper airing.

But to play sub, a number 13 album is hardly enough. I think hes saying at a festival, he wants the sub headliner to be a band who regardless of wether people bought the album, peopel willk now singles.
I think Kaiserchiefs are the ultimate band for this position. Obviouisly i dont want them back. But they pretty much sum up want i want at a festival.

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It wasn't based on personal taste. Personally I thought the album was OK, a 3 star album, a couple of good tracks (Mind Eraser No Chaser & Dead End Friends being personal highlights) but given the HUGE amount of publicity/hype the album got it charted low & fell of quickly. If you really like them then that's great but I was debating their placing on the Download bill & why I believe a top festival act should have crossover appeal. Points you convienienlty ignored.

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scottt, on Mar 16 2010, 09:18 PM, said:

But to play sub, a number 13 album is hardly enough. I think hes saying at a festival, he wants the sub headliner to be a band who regardless of wether people bought the album, peopel willk now singles.
I think Kaiserchiefs are the ultimate band for this position. Obviouisly i dont want them back. But they pretty much sum up want i want at a festival.

Not at download though. You think the Kaisers would play that high at donwload?

The pixies, NIN hardley classic sing along acts.

TCV has got sing along moments as well.....

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theramm, on Mar 16 2010, 09:21 PM, said:

It wasn't based on personal taste. Personally I thought the album was OK, a 3 star album, a couple of good tracks (Mind Eraser No Chaser & Dead End Friends being personal highlights) but given the HUGE amount of publicity/hype the album got it charted low & fell of quickly. If you really like them then that's great but I was debating their placing on the Download bill & why I believe a top festival act should have crossover appeal. Points you convienienlty ignored.

It didn't get that much publicity, it did on boards like this. They got a few magazine covers. But how many people in this group who read mags and boards actually buy the album???

Covered by the fact it got a quite high chart position, for a debut. Plus at a rock festival like download how much crossover is actually needed? A lot of people will like a lot of the line-up!

Edited by kev1664, 16 March 2010 - 09:34 PM.

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Covered by the fact it got a quite high chart position, for a debut. Plus at a rock festival like download how much crossover is actually needed? A lot of people will like a lot of the line-up!

The uproar on the Download forums suggests otherwise. They resorted to deleting thread on the topic as there were so many being created.

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It didn't get that much publicity, it did on boards like this. They got a few magazine covers. But how many people in this group who read mags and boards actually buy the album???

It got large features/editorials in a lot of Daily tabloids as well as the Sunday papers. There was a big mainstream presence, albeit mainly focused about the individual achievments of the members.

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theramm, on Mar 16 2010, 09:39 PM, said:

The uproar on the Download forums suggests otherwise. They resorted to deleting thread on the topic as there were so many being created.



It got large features/editorials in a lot of Daily tabloids as well as the Sunday papers. There was a big mainstream presence, albeit mainly focused about the individual achievments of the members.

What about the demand for tickets for TCV own gigs? Sell out tour within minutes, high position at festivals all over the world, thats gotta count for a lot.

Theres always going to be more people complain about things then say how much they like them, over reactions IMO. Just have to look at the R&L boards on here over potential headliners to show you that.

Like I say, even though it was in the papers, it was in the parts of paper (i.e the middle) that many don't really look at. Not really huge publicity, I'd more say a bit of publicity.

Are Deftones and Stone temple pilots second headlining download as well? I wouldnt say the deftones had much crossover appeal not many hit songs, granted a good band with a few albums.

I'm just saying its not entirely impossible for band to second headline in the same circumstances of TCV. Its happened before, it will happen again.

Edited by kev1664, 16 March 2010 - 10:00 PM.

[theramm]

Without dragging this out too long. The demand for TCV tickets was for small venues on the back of their 'secret' gigs & the hype. If they announced an arena tour tomorrow I'd be interested to see how quickly it'd sell. I'd question Deftones & STP position to an extent (Especially considering last years subs & 3rd from top spots) but at least the other subs this year have hits that a lot of the audience, not their audience will know.

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theramm, on Mar 16 2010, 10:02 PM, said:

Without dragging this out too long. The demand for TCV tickets was for small venues on the back of their 'secret' gigs & the hype. If they announced an arena tour tomorrow I'd be interested to see how quickly it'd sell. I'd question Deftones & STP position to an extent (Especially considering last years subs & 3rd from top spots) but at least the other subs this year have hits that a lot of the audience, not their audience will know.

Well what type of venues will the other two mentioned play? Hardley arenas. I wouldn't say they had many well known songs either, TCV songs will still have a crowd reaction just as the other two (granted they might not sub).

I'd like it if they announced an arena tour, I'm sure it would do well, but we'd only find that out if it happened.

I'd have loved to see KORN, Marilyn Manson (both played similar sized venues to TCV on there last tours) and Limp Bizkit (haven't toured in a while) last year, all bigger than STP and deftones and TCV especially at their peak.

But of the three I'd say TCV are on the up and will more than likely peak the popularity of the other two.

Pendulum a similar position to TCV I suppose, but I think TCV are more relevant to DL.

Personally I think DL will have spent a load on the three headliners this year that could effect the undercard. It won't bother me if I can get tickets closer to the festival, because whats been announced I like.

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Also I'd like to say I think TCV would play third at R&L, I'd prefer TCV to QOTSA, if I had to choose 1 or the other.

However would love QOTSA to paly and think they would command second on the bill 1st at a push.

Last years DL headliners fri and sat. Slipknot were scheduled for 3rd down last time they played R&L. and FNM headlined the NME (not saying they couldn't have played second main stage, 1st at a push)

This years DL headliners are all capable of headlining R&L.

Edited by kev1664, 16 March 2010 - 10:28 PM.

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Captain Frogarm, on Mar 16 2010, 03:01 PM, said:

Why would I be joking. It's just dull guitar riffs over slightly odd time signatures. That's not pushing boundaries. That's been around for years. Look just cos Zane Lowe says it's good doesn't mean it is.

Yeah, cos I hang on every word Zane Lowe says.  If it wasnt for him and Jo Whiley I wouldnt have a clue what band to like.  God bless them!


Your statements are pretty amusing, I mean at one stage you actually say "if me and a mate released that album it would get nowhere"   -  LOL  -      Like you can play guitar, drums and bass like 3 blokes at the very, very top of their profession.    And presumably your a sh*t hot songwriter too?  Oh, and you're a vocalist too, yeah?

Make no mistake, forget about album sales and the other bulls*it people are coming out with on this thread, TCV are amazing live, a group of top class musicians who will massivley entertain those that have the sense to turn up and watch them.

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Toooly, on Mar 17 2010, 11:04 AM, said:

Yeah, cos I hang on every word Zane Lowe says.  If it wasnt for him and Jo Whiley I wouldnt have a clue what band to like.  God bless them!


Your statements are pretty amusing, I mean at one stage you actually say "if me and a mate released that album it would get nowhere"   -  LOL  -      Like you can play guitar, drums and bass like 3 blokes at the very, very top of their profession.    And presumably your a sh*t hot songwriter too?  Oh, and you're a vocalist too, yeah?

Make no mistake, forget about album sales and the other bulls*it people are coming out with on this thread, TCV are amazing live, a group of top class musicians who will massivley entertain those that have the sense to turn up and watch them.

You have missed my point - My point is, if a group of unknowns had released this album no-one would have given a f**k. It's an average album. Not bad, not great either. It's just the names attached to it that mean people feel they have to like it. It's the same thing that happened with The last shadow puppets - Everyone really really wanted to like that album because it was associated with the Arctic Monkeys and it pained everyone to admit that that album was, you know, effectively shite.

The amusing thing about your post is that I am the lead singer/songwriter/guitarist of a band and that on most of the studio work I have played the bass and drums too. I'm not as good as Them Crooked Vultures but then again I don't claim to be.

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Captain Frogarm, on Mar 17 2010, 11:40 AM, said:

You have missed my point - My point is, if a group of unknowns had released this album no-one would have given a f**k. It's an average album. Not bad, not great either. It's just the names attached to it that mean people feel they have to like it. It's the same thing that happened with The last shadow puppets - Everyone really really wanted to like that album because it was associated with the Arctic Monkeys and it pained everyone to admit that that album was, you know, effectively shite.

I agree with this, I'm listening to the album via Spotify right now and can't really see what all the fuss is about. I like Foos, QOTSA and Zeppelin but this album, apart from me a few nice riff, sounds pretty pedestrian.

And yes, I watched them at the tent in Reading last year and it was good, but after getting to know the songs properly I'm not left feeling like I want to hear them again. If they playing Reading this year I might watch them again but the album isn't as great as people are claiming.

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Captain Frogarm, on Mar 17 2010, 11:40 AM, said:

It's just the names attached to it that mean people feel they have to like it.

WTF is all that about???   Why do you presume that I feel that I "have to like" the album!?
You're assuming we're all sheep, just becasue you dont get the album.


You do know that your're missing the point dont you?  And that is  - I'm right and you're wrong    


Anyway good luck with your music career, because IMO you've set yourself some very high standards.*


*which isnt a bad thing I suppose

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Toooly, on Mar 17 2010, 12:17 PM, said:

WTF is all that about???   Why do you presume that I feel that I "have to like" the album!?
You're assuming we're all sheep, just becasue you dont get the album.


You do know that your're missing the point dont you?  And that is  - I'm right and you're wrong    


Anyway good luck with your music career, because IMO you've set yourself some very high standards.*

I agree that the album is hard to get. Once you've got it though its irresistible IMO.

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You have missed my point - My point is, if a group of unknowns had released this album no-one would have given a f**k. It's an average album. Not bad, not great either. It's just the names attached to it that mean people feel they have to like it. It's the same thing that happened with The last shadow puppets - Everyone really really wanted to like that album because it was associated with the Arctic Monkeys and it pained everyone to admit that that album was, you know, effectively shite.

I honestly think if a group of unknowns released this album they'd be getting absolutly rave reviews about how they are going to be the next big thing, it might take a while to build up a following and tour the album and release a second in order to really make it.
Didn't  this happen with led zepplin in the past, they went and released an album without there name on it and it did just aswell if not better than there others?

I think a lot of people who are slating them all went and set their expectancy levels too high. If you think its a 3/5 album when you were expecting the world from it then its obviously gonna seem bad.

If you went in with an open mind and heard it without knowing who was on the album would you feel the same way? You'll never know that.

You have three great musicians there, from three or four of some of the best and biggest band there have been, and they all think there on to a winner. If they think its such a good thing they must be onto something.

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QOTSA NEED to headline the NME Tent!


Friday

My Chemical Romance
Lost Prophets
Biffy Clyro

NME: Weezer
Saturday

Arcade Fire
Pixies
Elbow

NME: QOTSA

Sunday

Blink 182
Paramore
Pendelum

NME: The Maccabees

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