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[beodeejay]

Edited by beodeejay, 06 December 2009 - 10:39 PM.

[III]

oh i love it. I love it when Jack White does the stripes songs with slide live. Fantastic

[Harrow Strongbow Ciderman!]

beodeejay, on Dec 6 2009, 10:38 PM, said:

And just read in other thread that Martin Simpson is rumoured for Glasto Avalon or Acoustic Stage.
That'd be cool.

[grumpyhack]

Or this.....  Tommy Emmanuel who plays lead, rhythm, bass and percussion all at the same time on an acoustic.

[Ice Fatality]

Tbh, as great as he is, the Martin Simpson video looks like it's pretty basic slide technique, no doubt Keith would be able to do like that (also, it's a song that, amazingly, predates the Rolling Stones   )

Much <3 for the Tommy Emmanuel video, had heard of him but never actually heard/seen him before, well good  

[The Nal]

See the issue is, I don’t think Keef has ever been sober enough to play to his potential. This is pretty bog standard.

[TG24]

I remember seeing an 18 year old at the Ely Folk Festival a couple of years back, named Gareth Pearson, who was absolutely nuts. Along the lines of Chet Atkins and Tommy Emmanuel. At work so cant upload any vids but check him out!

[sifi]

I bet that guitarist would have loved to have written Paint it Black.  And Gimme Shelter.  And Jumping Jack Flash.  And Honky Tonk women.

etc.

[russycarps]

in fairness to keith richards he's one of the greatest guitarists of all time, and he's a billion times cooler than that nerd

Edited by russycarps, 07 December 2009 - 12:59 PM.

[4AssedMonkey]

I've always been from the school of thought with guitar (or any instrument for that matter) that just because you can do something, doesn't necessarily mean you should.  That's how Jazz started.  I'm sure there are many many guitarists who can do all kinds of shit, but they choose not to because it either (a) sounds shit or ( doesn't fit within a song.

[grumpyhack]

TG24, on Dec 7 2009, 12:18 PM, said:

I remember seeing an 18 year old at the Ely Folk Festival a couple of years back, named Gareth Pearson, who was absolutely nuts. Along the lines of Chet Atkins and Tommy Emmanuel. At work so cant upload any vids but check him out!

Gareth comes from a few miles from me.  He's a stunning young guitarist, well worth catching.  I've seen him supporting Tommy Emmanuel a couple of times and they did some stuff together.

[tonyblair]

sifimaster, on Dec 7 2009, 12:28 PM, said:

I bet that guitarist would have loved to have written Paint it Black.  And Gimme Shelter.  And Jumping Jack Flash.  And Honky Tonk women.

etc.

^ that ^

and he was an amazing guitarist...

what a dumb thread

[beodeejay]

tonyblair, on Dec 7 2009, 09:02 PM, said:

^ that ^

and he was an amazing guitarist...

agreed - which is why I said "could still do this "   - ie, the stones are well past their sell by date.  

Watch the Shine a Light gig on DVD - Jaggers voice is shot, and Keef simply doesn't play well anymore.....not to say he didn't....its just he doesn't now.

Clapton, Gilmour, Beck, Santana, Mayall ......all from the same era(ish) - maybe have a few years on their side, but not many - yet they all still play pretty much as well (or better) than they used to..

I like loads of stones stuff - a lot in some cases, but live they are a spent force, and I really don't look forward to them playing.  Unlike some of the old timers (J L Hooker, etc ) who carried on with grace but accepted their age, the stones  shows and songs require an edge that they have now lost....imo.

But i'll shut up now.

Edited by beodeejay, 08 December 2009 - 08:50 AM.

[tonyblair]

beodeejay, on Dec 8 2009, 08:46 AM, said:

agreed - which is why I said "could still do this "   - ie, the stones are well past their sell by date.  

Watch the Shine a Light gig on DVD - Jaggers voice is shot, and Keef simply doesn't play well anymore.....not to say he didn't....its just he doesn't now.

Clapton, Gilmour, Beck, Santana, Mayall ......all from the same era(ish) - maybe have a few years on their side, but not many - yet they all still play pretty much as well (or better) than they used to..

I like loads of stones stuff - a lot in some cases, but live they are a spent force, and I really don't look forward to them playing.  Unlike some of the old timers (J L Hooker, etc ) who carried on with grace but accepted their age, the stones  shows and songs require an edge that they have now lost....imo.

But i'll shut up now.

which is pretty much what I've also been saying..

but  also said "if he ever could, that is"....

which to me, implies he was never that good.

Keith towers over most guitarists, as an all round musician, having achieved more than most could ever dream of

Edited by tonyblair, 08 December 2009 - 10:04 AM.

[denwyn]

grumpyhack, on Dec 7 2009, 06:52 AM, said:

Or this..... Tommy Emmanuel who plays lead, rhythm, bass and percussion all at the same time on an acoustic.

He is one of the best...as long as he does not sing     

[denwyn]

The Nal, on Dec 7 2009, 10:34 AM, said:

See the issue is, I don't think Keef has ever been sober enough to play to his potential. This is pretty bog standard.

Your right, the mans good but slightly over rated at times. to my mind his best work was in the say first 4 Stones albums

[The Nal]

denwyn, on Dec 8 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

Your right, the mans good but slightly over rated at times. to my mind his best work was in the say first 4 Stones albums

He was shit hot when he was playing with Mick Taylor. They’ve a great run of albums around that time. They never should’ve let him go!

[tonyblair]

denwyn, on Dec 8 2009, 10:08 AM, said:

good but slightly over rated at times

sorry...
sometimes I just have to laugh

[beodeejay]

tonyblair, on Dec 8 2009, 10:03 AM, said:

which is pretty much what I've also been saying..

but  also said "if he ever could, that is"....

which to me, implies he was never that good.

Keith towers over most guitarists, as an all round musician, having achieved more than most could ever dream of

Fair enough - "if he ever could" was perhaps a bit harsh.

As you say, his record speaks for itself - nothing to prove.  But he is in danger of doing an Andy Williams - as are the Stones as a group.

Interesting  story about The Stones trying, but failing, to recruit Rory Gallagher  - see here

http://www.roryon.com/spotlight.html

Its a big article - the most relevant but is here :

In an interview with the NME in the early ‘70s, Keith Richards had remarked how the first artist he wanted to sign to the then-fledgling Rolling Stones Records was Rory Gallagher, though no further overtures were made: then, in the wake of Mick Taylor's departure in December 1974, the Rolling Stones came to suffer yet another bout of guitarist trouble.

So, in the first days of 1975, Stones keyboardist Ian Stewart rang the Gallagher’s family home. ‘Don't be kiddin’,’ was Rory’s response, typically, to Donal telling him the Stones were on the phone, but after being persuaded this was no prank, Rory agreed to take a plane to Munich and audition for the world's most notorious rock’n’roll band (Ry Cooder, Peter Frampton, Mick Ronson, even Jeff Beck were also on Keith Richards’ so-called ‘shopping list’).

The true picture of the liaison is murky: Donal remains ‘furious’ that a nervous Rory insisted on traveling alone save for his favourite tweed-covered Fender amp and the battered Strat It is known that, after being collected in a cab by Mick Jagger, Gallagher jammed a set of songs with the band and Jagger oozed positively about Rory becoming a Stone. The thing was,’ Donal outlines, ‘Jagger and Richards were barely talking at this point and although Mick told Rory to go and speak to Keith, when he tried Keith was just comatose upstairs. Everyone seemed to be waiting for Keith to get it together and make a decision. Rory tried to wake him but had to make a flight to Japan — this was January 27th and his Japanese tour started on the 29th. He left a note with the Stones as to where he'd be, but nothing happened.

‘Y'know, Rory didn't talk about it too much, but I know he was unsure as to whether the Stones had taken umbrage at him leaving like that with hindsight, of course, Rory should have canceled the Japanese tour. But the Stones, at the time, were banned from Japan for life and all those factors were playing in Rory’s head; if he didn't get to Japan now and then joined the Stones, he'd might never go back. The press had already run the headline that Rory had joined the Stones, and I know that when he got to Germany he was aware of all this going on, he was very shy about the whole thing. I knew Rory’s nature. He was just too placid, too easy-going. The Stones had all their management there, even Marshall Chess (of Chess records) was there, but it never happened. It's an unanswered tale. In the end, though, I think Ronnie (Wood) was more the required image of the Stones; he certainly didn't take them in a new direction.’  Richards has since conceded that, with respect to any new guitarist, he knew that the Stones had to stay ‘an English rock’n’roll band, and not just English, but from London’, so perhaps it was a done-for deal anyway.

And as a massive Rory fan, it has put me off a bit ever since....

A shame for all concerned - he would have taken them in another direction. summed up nicley by this quote from Rory's bass player :

"D.McG: You mentioned the Stones. What's your recollection of that whole incident with Rory?

G.McA: I knew nothing about the incident until I read it in Melody Maker! Rory was so focused on his own career I don't think he would have joined them. Rory was a front man as well and I couldn't imagine Rory and Mick Jagger on the same stage together. Maybe on a one off situation, But on a touring situation I don't think so. He did record with them. The story goes that the track Hot Stuff, that was Rory's riff but Keith Richards ripped it off. Keith was good at that because he ripped off Ry Cooder's Honky Tonk Woman, it was Ry Cooders riff and Keith ripped off that riff. So Rory came up with the riff, they used it on Hot Stuff, but he never got the credit for it. Rory never mentioned the Stones session until sometime later. He never talked about it and I never asked him about it. It was his business, so I didn't like to ask him about it"

Final word - Rory at his pomp...silly Mick & Keith, imo.

[rabid]

Caught this guy a couple of times, pretty good!