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I am pretty sure Lemar hasn't played Glastonbury, however I saw him at V in 2007 and he was amazing. Make the booking!

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cejx, on Nov 2 2009, 11:44 AM, said:

if you don't watch it, what are you basing your views on?

Just because I don't watch it doesn't mean I have seen it.  Or read some of the thousands of column inches written about it.  Or heard about it on the radio.  Or overheard conversations about it on the bus.  Like I've already said it's almost impossible without becoming a total media hermit to avoid the fifteen week advert for the Christmas number one single.

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LondonTom, on Nov 1 2009, 11:51 PM, said:

Cos phone vote couldn't be rigged at all could it   or some persuasive marketing/PR used.

Given the number of investiagations and the scrutiny that TV phone votes are now under, no the phone vote probably could not be rigged.  Of course the second part is true - the judges play a lot of games to get the public to vote one way or another.  That's part of the fun of it.

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st00ka, on Nov 2 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Ha ha ha.  Do you really think it works like that?  It matters not who wins, give the 100% voted for by the public act a million pound advance (paid for through your premium rate telephone calls) to record an album which wont get promoted and when it inevitably fails to sell then we can write it off against tax.  

Meanwhile the two acts that we pre-selected from the BRIT school who came third and fourth in the 100% voted for by the public competition get a team of some of the most succesful pop songwiters, stylists and promotional gurus.

I wonder who the true winners are?

Well, as you've already said you don't watch it so we know you're talking out of your arse.  I'm not saying that the "true winners" aren't the record company.  Just that I'm sick and tired of people making out that the contestants are the poor victims in some elaborate plot.  Many of the contestants do nicely from appearing on the show and why begrudge them that?

st00ka, on Nov 2 2009, 11:01 AM, said:

Either you are trolling or have no knowledge of the history of British pop music.

Well I'm certainly not trolling.  I just have a knowledge of worldwide pop music that goes back further than 1962.

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ICGenie, on Nov 2 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Well, as you've already said you don't watch it so we know you're talking out of your arse.

So because I don't sit through this tripe week in week out I can't have an opinion on it regardless of the fact that it's completely unavoidable

ICGenie, on Nov 2 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

I'm not saying that the "true winners" aren't the record company.

"The "true winners" (ie the person who wins the final) is 100% voted for by the public."  

ICGenie, on Nov 2 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Just that I'm sick and tired of people making out that the contestants are the poor victims in some elaborate plot.  Many of the contestants do nicely from appearing on the show and why begrudge them that?

I'm sorry but the XFactor is a a modern day freakshow that mocks the afflicted and the outcome is predetermined.  Elaborate plot?  No it's quite simple really.

ICGenie, on Nov 2 2009, 01:27 PM, said:

Well I'm certainly not trolling.  I just have a knowledge of worldwide pop music that goes back further than 1962.

Well please enlighten me as to what POP music you consider so groundbreaking in and around 1962?

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st00ka, on Nov 2 2009, 04:08 PM, said:

Well please enlighten me as to what POP music you consider so groundbreaking in and around 1962?

Well Elvis Presley's probably a good place to start...

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ICGenie, on Nov 2 2009, 07:59 PM, said:

Well Elvis Presley's probably a good place to start...

Around that time?  Hadn't he just come out of the Army and stopped being Rock'n'Roll and gone all "Are You Lonesome Tonight" and started on his Hollywood career?

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st00ka, on Nov 3 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

Around that time?  Hadn't he just come out of the Army and stopped being Rock'n'Roll and gone all "Are You Lonesome Tonight" and started on his Hollywood career?

"and while the king was looking down the jester stole his thorny crown"

The jester mate.  It's all about the jester in the coat he borrowed from James Dean.

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st00ka, on Nov 3 2009, 11:04 AM, said:

Around that time?  Hadn't he just come out of the Army and stopped being Rock'n'Roll and gone all "Are You Lonesome Tonight" and started on his Hollywood career?

Sorry, I'm confused as to what exactly your point is.  Mine is that The Beatles early material was just skiffle that sold because they were well marketed pretty boys.  Now I'll admit that my knowledge of this stuff is a bit hazy because it's really not my thing, but I'm pretty sure that artists like Lonnie Donegan were already doing this (minus the marketing bit).  The "history of pop" is a broad discussion, partly because "pop music" is so difficult to define.  The way I see it The Beatles took what Elvis had done so well in rock 'n' roll and country and applied it to skiffle.  

If the Beatles had ceased to exist in 1964, the only discernable impact you could say they had would be as a blueprint for the likes of Pete Waterman, Louis Walsh, Simon Fuller and Simon Cowell to market a band to the hilt to sell records.

Ooh, I love it when a conversation comes full circle!!!

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ICGenie, on Nov 3 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

[color="#9932CC"]Sorry, I'm confused as to what exactly your point is.  Mine is that The Beatles early material was just skiffle that sold because they were well marketed pretty boys.  Now I'll admit that my knowledge of this stuff is a bit hazy because it's really not my thing, but I'm pretty sure that artists like Lonnie Donegan were already doing this (minus the marketing bit).  The "history of pop" is a broad discussion, partly because "pop music" is so difficult to define.  The way I see it The Beatles took what Elvis had done so well in rock 'n' roll and country and applied it to skiffle.

So Elvis was groundbreaking because he took black music and made more palletable to a white audience but when the Beatles took black music (skiffle albeit via Lonnie Donnegan) and merge with another style of black music (Rock'n'Roll) this isn't groundbreaking?  I don't understand.

Lonnie Donnegan was massive influence on British Bands in the sixties but to say he was already doing what the Beatles did with their early recordings is just wrong.

ICGenie, on Nov 3 2009, 01:22 PM, said:

If the Beatles had ceased to exist in 1964, the only discernable impact you could say they had would be as a blueprint for the likes of Pete Waterman, Louis Walsh, Simon Fuller and Simon Cowell to market a band to the hilt to sell records.

But surely that blueprint already existed before the Beatles?  The record industry was already in full swing before they arrived.

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st00ka, on Nov 3 2009, 02:05 PM, said:

So Elvis was groundbreaking because he took black music and made more palletable to a white audience but when the Beatles took black music (skiffle albeit via Lonnie Donnegan) and merge with another style of black music (Rock'n'Roll) this isn't groundbreaking?  I don't understand.

I never said Elvis was the first or any kind of revolutionary.  Just that he did it before the Beatles, that's all.

I'm bored now...

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ICGenie, on Nov 3 2009, 08:50 PM, said:

I never said Elvis was the first or any kind of revolutionary.  Just that he did it before the Beatles, that's all.

Well you sort of did, I asked you what you thought was groundbreaking in 1962 and you said I should look at Elvis Presley.

ICGenie, on Nov 3 2009, 08:50 PM, said:

I'm bored now...

So am I but that's just because I've arrived at work.

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Anyone see X-Factor tonight?



The entrance for Leona Lewis made me think of a small artist sitting atop the Pyramid Stage.

I eventually worked out that it was an effect of the lights eminating out from behind her, but could it have been a subtle hint?!?