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[Im_in_a_tent]

i was just reading the history on the official site and this little quote made me laugh:

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When the line-up was released this year there were complaints that the ‘Sunday Rock Day’ had been ditched, but if you now look at the mainstage on Friday and the Radio One tent on Sunday, there are probably more rock & metal bands than any other year. The organisers listen to the fans and obviously take note of their comments, which is why the festival is probably the first one that most people attend and always will. Music for the people......

WTF seriously? this is a bit like the fans wanting bloc party back

[Lithium05]

What utter bollocks. I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled for melvin at the fest this year and sit him down for a serious chat, whether he want to or not!

[Im_in_a_tent]

Lithium05, on Jul 9 2009, 12:45 PM, said:

What utter bollocks. I'm gonna keep my eyes peeled for melvin at the fest this year and sit him down for a serious chat, whether he want to or not!

do it!!

and ask to meet these invisible fans too

[jammy2211]

Imo there is as much rock / alternative stuff as normal, tons more then 2007 too. It's just spread out differently.

Not as much METALZ mind you, but I've come to accept tha.

[thomasowen]

Its probably true - Count the 'heavier' acts and I bet you there is more than most of the last few years.

[Lithium05]

thomasowen, on Jul 9 2009, 01:02 PM, said:

Its probably true - Count the 'heavier' acts and I bet you there is more than most of the23 last few years.

Excluding the lock-up

2009 - 21 (at a push I included YM@6 and a couple of others that felt wrong)
2008 - 27
2007 - 22
2006 - 24
2005 - 24
2004 - 23
2003 - 33 (also looking at it, it made me giggle that 10th to 12th bands down on the carling stage friday were Billy Talent, Franz Ferdinand, Razorlight )
2002 - 36
2001 - 31
(There's less info for any years before this)

So there is less this year, and it's also further down the bill meaning not only is there less in quantity, there's less in quality (FNM aside!)

Edited by Lithium05, 09 July 2009 - 02:00 PM.

[TheUnpolished]

The thing is since 2006 the audience of the leeds festival has changed.  Festivals have become increasingly popular and leeds & reading have become the biggest festival for targetting young audiences esp students.  Like it or not FR want to keep the young blood in and the way they do it is by bringing in mainstream radio bands because they sell tickets. L&R will always have a few punk and metal bands but it wouldn't surprise me if they started bringing in more pop indie acts like keane, the kooks, the script, scouting for girls and lily allen in next few years.

[jammy2211]

I counted 27 this year (Still 2 Mainstage Sunday slots too).

I don't buy the lower slot thus lower priority type argument either, Lostprophets and Faith No More could easily be second headliners and have both headlined Download.

[midnightradio]

Lithium05, on Jul 9 2009, 01:53 PM, said:

Excluding the lock-up

2009 - 21 (at a push I included YM@6 and a couple of others that felt wrong)
2008 - 27
2007 - 22
2006 - 24
2005 - 24
2004 - 23
2003 - 33 (also looking at it, it made me giggle that 10th to 12th bands down on the carling stage friday were Billy Talent, Franz Ferdinand, Razorlight )
2002 - 36
2001 - 31
(There's less info for any years before this)

So there is less this year, and it's also further down the bill meaning not only is there less in quantity, there's less in quality (FNM aside!)

What an absolute f**king retard. After reading that, absolutely no-one with even a speck of intelligence could possibly take you seriously from now on.

[robsadler]

don't the metal heads musical tastes cross over at all?
i understand that it would have been nice to have the traditional metal act headlining on the sunday but for whatever reasons they couldn't do it this year.  there is still a bit dotted around.
try listening to some indie/dance/punk too....its not all bad!

[thomasowen]

robsadler, on Jul 9 2009, 04:23 PM, said:

don't the metal heads musical tastes cross over at all?
i understand that it would have been nice to have the traditional metal act headlining on the sunday but for whatever reasons they couldn't do it this year.  there is still a bit dotted around.
try listening to some indie/dance/punk too....its not all bad!

Unfortunatley not. Metal heads are the only people I know he seem to like NO other music! Of course that could just be the people I'm friends with. They are also the only music fans who seemingly get angry when their bands aren't on the main stage when everyone else is happy to move between all stages.

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2009 - 21 (at a push I included YM@6 and a couple of others that felt wrong)
2008 - 27
2007 - 22
2006 - 24
2005 - 24
2004 - 23
2003 - 33 (also looking at it, it made me giggle that 10th to 12th bands down on the carling stage friday were Billy Talent, Franz Ferdinand, Razorlight )
2002 - 36
2001 - 31

It all depends on what you call heavy - I counted 22 for this year and 22 for last year.

[beLIEveR]

thomasowen, on Jul 9 2009, 01:02 PM, said:

Its probably true - Count the 'heavier' acts and I bet you there is more than most of the last few years.

"Heavier" than what?

[thomasowen]

beLIEveR, on Jul 9 2009, 04:39 PM, said:

"Heavier" than what?

Including metal/punk/emo/hard rock as oppose to the indie/pop/light rock/dance etc- no definition is perfect, I said heavier as a general term.

[Lithium05]

midnightradio, on Jul 9 2009, 03:54 PM, said:

What an absolute f**king retard. After reading that, absolutely no-one with even a speck of intelligence could possibly take you seriously from now on.

What specifically about the post caused you to get your panties in a bunch?

Seriously though good argument. Why not follow it up with the usual "if you want metal go to Download/Sonisphere" that would show me the error in my ways for thinking that Lostprophets, AFI, Gallows, and Falloutboy weren't as good as Metallica, RATM, QOTSA and Tenacious D... or RHCP(on paper) Smashing Pumpkins, NIN and ...erm Lostprophets... or Pearl Jam, Muse, MCR and Slayer (actually, PJ aside I'll give you that one).... or Iron Maiden, Pixies, Foo Fighters and Marilyn Manson... or Green Day, The Offspring, Ash and Lostprophets (again... The Darkness were too detrimental to my point to use)... or Metallica, System of a Down, Blink 182 and Linkin Park....  

Fact is, take out FNM and this years line-up is exposed as piss poor from a non indie perspective, take out any of the other bands I mentioned from their specific years and the lists of bands are still strong.

[Messi30]

Lithium is correct, my guess is these people think the likes Fall Out Boy are a 'heavy' band.

[Lithium05]

robsadler, on Jul 9 2009, 04:23 PM, said:

don't the metal heads musical tastes cross over at all?

I don't know if that's aimed at me, but if so I'm not what I would call a "metal-head" fairly sure I lost the "right" to be one of them when I chose Reel Big Fish over Iron Maiden at Download 2007 (in my defence I was hammered)... plus I hate Slayer.

I keep telling people on here that I like some "Indie", but the utter disbelief that someone who likes "Indie", but hates The Arctic Monkeys, Bloc Party, and all the other shit at this years fest, seems to make it fall on deaf ears.

Similarly looking at other genres, I like Dizzee Rascal, but not Lethal Bizzle, I would have been pleased to see Dizzee back this year, instead we're lumped with more Bizzle.

The reason I've been so vocal about my distain for this years line-up is it seems like its been organised specifically to spite me! Seriously, it's like they've taken genres I like and picked bands I don't!

To throw in some equal oppertunity, spread genre whinging - I find Deftones dull as dish water, I though (as has been well documented) Brand New were boring in 2007 (despite liking them on record), Alexisonfire I've never "got", and I don't feel I need to give a reason for disliking Madina Lake!

[beLIEveR]

thomasowen, on Jul 9 2009, 04:47 PM, said:

Including metal/punk/emo/hard rock as oppose to the indie/pop/light rock/dance etc- no definition is perfect, I said heavier as a general term.

My point is, the definition is everything.

I hate genres with a passion, but let's genre-alise for a second. As far as a fan of metal/punk/hard rock (emo to a lesser extent) is concerned, I'd say they're probably less impressed with this year's offering than most previous years (not just 2008). But at the same time, I do see how they can legitimately argue that this year's lineup is heavier than last year's.

[Lithium05]

Messi30, on Jul 9 2009, 05:09 PM, said:

Lithium is correct, my guess is these people think the likes Fall Out Boy are a 'heavy' band.

Weird thing is, i accounted for that and included them in my count

[rivalschools.price]

Lithium05, on Jul 9 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

What specifically about the post caused you to get your panties in a bunch?

Seriously though good argument. Why not follow it up with the usual "if you want metal go to Download/Sonisphere" that would show me the error in my ways for thinking that Lostprophets, AFI, Gallows, and Falloutboy weren't as good as Metallica, RATM, QOTSA and Tenacious D... or RHCP(on paper) Smashing Pumpkins, NIN and ...erm Lostprophets... or Pearl Jam, Muse, MCR and Slayer (actually, PJ aside I'll give you that one).... or Iron Maiden, Pixies, Foo Fighters and Marilyn Manson... or Green Day, The Offspring, Ash and Lostprophets (again... The Darkness were too detrimental to my point to use)... or Metallica, System of a Down, Blink 182 and Linkin Park....  

Fact is, take out FNM and this years line-up is exposed as piss poor from a non indie perspective, take out any of the other bands I mentioned from their specific years and the lists of bands are still strong.

this post is just about 100% the opinion of everyone i know.counting the bands is irrelavant,its the quality of the rock/metal bands that are lacking this year.telling a metal fan not to worry because instead of metallica headlining the main stage they can watch bring me the horizon in one of the tents is like telling an indie fan that instead of watching someone like blur headlining the main stage they can watch the wombats on the FR stage.

DISCLAIMER-----------

please note that i said 'the opinion of everyone i know'.i didnt conduct a survey with the entire ticket buying population of the uk.
i am also aware that some people would prefer to watch the wombats than blur.
i am also aware that some people do not consider blur or indeed wombats as indie bands.

(this disclaimer should save about 17 posts and maybe get people to stick to the point)

[midnightradio]

Lithium05, on Jul 9 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

What specifically about the post caused you to get your panties in a bunch?

The part which I put in bold...

Lithium05, on Jul 9 2009, 04:54 PM, said:

Seriously though good argument. Why not follow it up with the usual "if you want metal go to Download/Sonisphere" that would show me the error in my ways for thinking that Lostprophets, AFI, Gallows, and Falloutboy weren't as good as Metallica, RATM, QOTSA and Tenacious D... or RHCP(on paper) Smashing Pumpkins, NIN and ...erm Lostprophets... or Pearl Jam, Muse, MCR and Slayer (actually, PJ aside I'll give you that one).... or Iron Maiden, Pixies, Foo Fighters and Marilyn Manson... or Green Day, The Offspring, Ash and Lostprophets (again... The Darkness were too detrimental to my point to use)... or Metallica, System of a Down, Blink 182 and Linkin Park....  

Fact is, take out FNM and this years line-up is exposed as piss poor from a non indie perspective, take out any of the other bands I mentioned from their specific years and the lists of bands are still strong.

Why are you listing all these bands. I really don't care. The fact is you said (not implied either, clearly said) if a band is on the main stage they are of a higher quality than one on, say, the FR stage. Which is just one of the most stupid things anyone can say in regards to music.