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[nightcrawler13]

i LOVE phantom menace, and i cant understand why everyone else in the world hates it

young annakin is no more annoying then luke, who is a whingey bitch

the gungans are no more stupid and lame then the ewoks

Darth Maul is frackin uber awesome

the pod racers for awesome



the only thing i can think is, i was 12 ( i think ) when it came out, so still young enough to fall into the world and not look at it through cynical eyes?

[worm]

nightcrawler13, on Jan 4 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

i LOVE phantom menace, and i cant understand why everyone else in the world hates it

I don't hate it at all. In fact, it has the greatest Star Wars line of all time in it. And the best bad guy that was criminally under used. Soz Vader.

It's still the worst of the six though.

[worm]

nightcrawler13, on Jan 4 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

young annakin is no more annoying then luke, who is a whingey bitch - incorrect

the gungans are no more stupid and lame then the ewoks - true, if it were not for Jar-Jar

Darth Maul is frackin uber awesome - You know it!

the pod racers for awesome - No, they were the silliest of side lines out of the six

Edited by worm, 04 January 2009 - 08:40 PM.

[dakyras]

Watto is clearly the best character ever created.

[Sparticus]

darth maul was cool, but it didn't feel like star wars. Episode 2 nearly had me in tears at the start, cgi'd up to the bollocks and it had just lost that special feeling that it had the first time i watched the original star wars films.

[Alcatraz]

Attack of the Clones is terrible

[tinygreendragon]

I saw Star Wars when I was 10 in 1979 it was one of the first films I ever went to the cinema to see and it was amazing, not just the film but the whole experience in the years that followed I went to see sci fi films with my dad it became our thing to do we went to see the next two star wars films, in 1980 Flash Gordon, 1982 Blade Runner, 1984 Terminator, 1986 Aliens, 1991 T2 and 1997 Gattica.

So in 1999  at the age of 30, The Phantom Mence came out and I went to the cinema without my dad who had passed away by then to see what I expected to be a fantastic film. But it couldn't possibly live up to the hyper or the nostalga I felt for the first three films and I think that many people felt the same way, certainly friends my age were very disappointed in it. I'm not sure I was more cynical by then I just expected more from Mr Lucas. I am very glad to see that my cousin who is 20 loves all the Star Wars films although like yourself he prefers the newer ones as he thinks the special effects are better. I have to say I loath Jar jar he is one of the most annoying things I have ever seen

[Sparticus]

it can't have been just me thinking, you've all got light sabers, i don't care if he can breathe underwater, slice and dice the alien and cut it's stomach open. Ripping off the hoth scene would've been better than jar jar binks for the whole film. Also, it probably had something to do with all the new characters like mace windu, i felt like shouting you're name's not skywalker so get the f**k out the film! Also that count dooku who was seemingly unstoppable seemed to get battered in a second in the third film, just wasn't star wars.

[oafc0000]

Well I loved all three of the new films...

I think they got better and better...

[Purple Monkey]

nightcrawler13, on Jan 4 2009, 08:18 PM, said:

i LOVE phantom menace, and i cant understand why everyone else in the world hates it

young annakin is no more annoying then luke, who is a whingey bitch

the gungans are no more stupid and lame then the ewoks

Darth Maul is frackin uber awesome

the pod racers for awesome



the only thing i can think is, i was 12 ( i think ) when it came out, so still young enough to fall into the world and not look at it through cynical eyes?

While I don't HATE Phantom Menace, I think the general anger people have towards it comes from the fact it had a near infinite amount of potential which it didn't come close to grasping, and instead came across as a glorified toy advert.

*deep breath*

The way the Jedi are portrayed as ballerinas in the new films - it's embarrassing watching them twirl about like morons.

The stupid robots with the comedy voices do not compare to Imperial Stromtroopers.

Those stupid looking yellow sleek ships do not compare to X-Wings. The baddies didn't even have a solid baddie ship that even came close to the iconic TIE Fighter. The iconic ships were replaced with contrived, artistic w*nk.

The original film was about a rebel alliance taking on an evil Empire moon-sized doomsday super weapon against all odds. The Phantom Menace was about some false war about taxation of trade routes. What the f*ck?

Jar Jar Binks is no replacement for C3PO and R2D2.

The originals have a bigger sense of adventure. Luke going to Mos Eisley was an adventure in itself. The adventure in the new films consisted of pressing the lightspeed button and appearring at yet another pointlessly exotic planet, conveniently populated by brand new action figures. The prequels managed to make the massive universe of the originals seem tiny.

It seemed to concern the Jedi way too much. The originals had a good mix of different characters. I never thought I'd get sick to death of lightsabers but somehow the prequels pulled it off.

The actors in the new films were forced to imagine pretty much everything. Everything is so stilted and without movement - the bit where Anakin is in his pod racer is a good example of how bad it got. At least the shots of Luke in the X-Wing had someone rocking the cockpit to give the illusion that he was moving.

Han Solo wasn't in it. Neither was the Falcon. The two best things about Star Wars were completely absent.

Yoda looks like Yoda's retarded cousin.

The "plot" concerning the Queen decoy/fashion sense thing. What was Lucas smoking?

It suffers from Yes-men-itis. George Lucas had so much power nobody would tell him his idea sucked or that it wasn't possible. He has done it with Indiana Jones recently too. It's like he just idly came up with any old crap and nobody had the balls to challenge his "grand vision"

"I want CGI stormtroopers! I want underwater chases and insect bad guys for no reason! I want annoying oriental weasly bad guys in the first film, then Christopher Lee in the 2nd, then a big white four armed monster in the third! And he'll have four lightsabers! I want the Jedi battle sequence to be just like a Crash Bandicoot level! What do you mean my ideas are unreasonable and stupid? You're fired! We can use this same technology to make the monkeys, aliens, gophers and indestructable fridge in the new Indiana Jones film, I'm a genius!"

George Lucas, when you think about it, is actually Darth Vader: talented guy with ambition who achieves great things in his youth, lets power go to his head, doesn't listen to the people around him and he f*cks it all up.

Having said that, it is the best of the prequels, by virtue of the criminally underused Darth Maul, who is awesome. Attack of The Clones and Revenge Of The Sith are just bad. Revenge Of The Sith just feels like Lucas ran out of time and just went "oh here's that loose end explained, and this one and this one, now go home, stop asking me questions"

And Darth Maul, even though he had one line, had the best line out of all the prequels.

Edited by Purple Monkey, 04 January 2009 - 09:20 PM.

[Kowalski]

They should never have made Episodes 1-3, they are quite awful and embarrassing IMHO.  Lucas has a lot to answer for.

[worm]

Kowalski, on Jan 4 2009, 09:12 PM, said:

They should never have made Episodes 1-3, they are quite awful and embarrassing IMHO.  Lucas has a lot to answer for.

Don't watch them then.

I despise Highlander 2, 3 and 4. I couldn't care less that they've been made.

[Purple Monkey]

Kowalski, on Jan 4 2009, 09:12 PM, said:

They should never have made Episodes 1-3, they are quite awful and embarrassing IMHO.  Lucas has a lot to answer for.

I personally thought the Star Wars universe was cool when things were left unexplained. The originals, before the prequels came out, felt like one event in a massive sea of events. The preuqles seemed to be obsessed with tying everything together, killing the adventure dead. I mean Chewbacca 'randomly' meets up with Yoda in Episode 3 - it made the massive galaxy seem like it was some sort of small Yorkshire village in the hills where everyone knew each other.

As worm says, I don't care they're there, as I simply choose to watch the originals, but he's been re-writing the originals in order to make it fit around his new films. He has been re-writing the originals to fit around his new films, first with the special edition and then with the DVD releases. I think at that point most people were just thinking "OK, that's me done with this shit".

I think the cheekiest edit was when he replaced the original Emperor actor in Empire Strikes Back with some clunky dialogue and a new Ian McDiarmid Emperor, in order to make the plot make sense in light of the new films. It just sticks out like all the edits. And they don't play the originals on TV any more (they're usually the first re-write versions) and any releases on new formats will probably be these new post-prequel versions. That's pretty bad, and a shame.

Edited by Purple Monkey, 04 January 2009 - 09:40 PM.

[worm]

While I don't HATE Phantom Menace, I think the general anger people have towards it comes from the fact THAT THEY SHOULD GET A LIFE.

The way the Jedi are portrayed as ballerinas in the new films - it's embarrassing watching them twirl about like morons. No, it's class

The stupid robots with the comedy voices do not compare to Imperial Stromtroopers. This is true

Those stupid looking yellow sleek ships do not compare to X-Wings. The baddies didn't even have a solid baddie ship that even came close to the iconic TIE Fighter. The iconic ships were replaced with contrived, artistic w*nk. That's because they aren't meant to be as good or as distinctive

The original film was about a rebel alliance taking on an evil Empire moon-sized doomsday super weapon against all odds. The Phantom Menace was about some false war about taxation of trade routes. What the f*ck? Because it's about the political movements that go before the make up of an Empire

Jar Jar Binks is no replacement for C3PO and R2D2. This is true

The originals have a bigger sense of adventure. Luke going to Mos Eisley was an adventure in itself. The adventure in the new films consisted of pressing the lightspeed button and appearring at yet another pointlessly exotic planet, conveniently populated by brand new action figures. The prequels managed to make the massive universe of the originals seem tiny. This is true

It seemed to concern the Jedi way too much. The originals had a good mix of different characters. I never thought I'd get sick to death of lightsabers but somehow the prequels pulled it off. That's because the world was run by Jedi's as referenced in the originals

The actors in the new films were forced to imagine pretty much everything. Everything is so stilted and without movement - the bit where Anakin is in his pod racer is a good example of how bad it got. At least the shots of Luke in the X-Wing had someone rocking the cockpit to give the illusion that he was moving. hmmm!

Han Solo wasn't in it. Neither was the Falcon. The two best things about Star Wars were completely absent. You'd hate it if it was in

Yoda looks like Yoda's retarded cousin. Graphics are no substitute for puppets

Edited by worm, 04 January 2009 - 09:37 PM.

[oafc0000]

Phantom Menace aim was to attract the young audience....which it did...

Probably a bit kiddy for some of the older fans...

The next two where much better I thought...  I thought the 3 was as good as any of the originals...

[worm]

oafc0000, on Jan 4 2009, 09:39 PM, said:

Phantom Menace aim was to attract the young audience....which it did..

And indulge the change of worlds between the once affluent and unified Jedi utopian and the poverty striken and diasporic world of the Empire, which it did rather well. The world is big when you're poor and lost. It is small when you have the means to travel it freely.

I think it is mis-judged an awful lot. Mainly because it's easy to.

The dialogue in this is class (as well as the score)

Edited by worm, 04 January 2009 - 09:46 PM.

[oafc0000]

worm, on Jan 4 2009, 09:43 PM, said:

I think it is mis-judged an awful lot. Mainly because it's easy to.

It was...

[Purple Monkey]

worm, on Jan 4 2009, 09:36 PM, said:

Han Solo wasn't in it. Neither was the Falcon. The two best things about Star Wars were completely absent. You'd hate it if it was in

Yeah, in it's current state. If it was the Phantom Menace with Han Solo shoe-horned in with the Falcon of course it would be shit.

And as far as filling in gaps and plots go, that wasn't much of an agenda seeing as they cut the formation of the rebel alliance scene from Episode III - probably one of the most important bits of the whole "lets go back and explain it all" attitude.

What I meant was the prequels focus wasn't that interesting. I knew the Jedi were killed off. I knew an Empire would require some backstage pulling of the strings. The Empire was like the Nazis, so I assumed The Emperor was basically Hitler. The prequels have him rise to power in a Hitler-esque manner. It didn't really tell you anything you couldn't have got from just watching the originals. Because Lucas wrote them that way.

I still think Phantom Menace is used unfairly as the worst example. The two follow ups had more to answer for. I'd put Attack of The Clones down as the worst.

Edited by Purple Monkey, 04 January 2009 - 09:51 PM.

[worm]

Purple Monkey, on Jan 4 2009, 09:49 PM, said:

And as far as filling in gaps and plots go, that wasn't much of an agenda seeing as they cut the formation of the rebel alliance scene from Episode III - probably one of the most important bits of the whole "lets go back and explain it all" attitude.

I too think this is a valid criticism.

I don't see what he could have done other than tell the story he told though. Surely throwing in some truly contrived shit and damaging the time line would have been ridiculous?!

[dakyras]

worm, on Jan 4 2009, 09:56 PM, said:

I too think this is a valid criticism.

I don't see what he could have done other than tell the story he told though. Surely throwing in some truly contrived shit and damaging the time line would have been ridiculous?!

Or he could have done the episodes after 4, 5 and 6. That's where the interesting shit happens. Chewbacca gets killed by a moon falling on his head. The Yuuzhan Vong are the most awesome of enemies. Jacen Solo goes mental and turns into a much worse bastard than his grandfather. It's brilliant.

Edited by dakyras, 04 January 2009 - 10:14 PM.