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the future of GuilFest under threat?


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#21 William of Walworth

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:10 AM

View Post5co77ie, on Sep 25 2008, 10:20 AM, said:

The point was it's clearly been set up to compete with WOMAD.

On that basis alone I reckon it will fail, on that particular site (but that's for the other thread).

I read this story abiout Guilfest and was saddened and depressed. I'm not optimistic that Tony will be able to resist the pressure from the corporate operators to push their new festival, and as people are saing here, the money will tempt the council to favour them.

Has Tony Scott attempted to publicise this in the local paper .,...erm, is it the Surrey Advertiser etc.? The long established festival boss being pushed out by the corporate big boys in dodgy cahoots with the council could be a big and scandalous and headlineworthy local story if pitched right.

Could he get some dissident, more community minded Councillors onside?

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:24 AM

View PostWilliam of Walworth, on Sep 25 2008, 11:10 AM, said:

Has Tony Scott attempted to publicise this in the local paper .,...erm, is it the Surrey Advertiser etc.? The long established festival boss being pushed out by the corporate big boys in dodgy cahoots with the council could be a big and scandalous and headlineworthy local story if pitched right.

Yep

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 10:31 AM

View Post5co77ie, on Sep 25 2008, 10:20 AM, said:

The point was it's clearly been set up to compete with WOMAD.
Oh yeah it has, but RBC allways had a lot to do with WOMAD when it was in Reading. FR will probably only be involved, if as much, in a simmilar roll they are at Glastonbury. I dont see this as a big buisness attack on WOMAD, and WOMAD arnt exactly small frys anyway.

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 05:26 PM

View PostTalkShow Bob, on Sep 25 2008, 11:31 AM, said:

Oh yeah it has, but RBC allways had a lot to do with WOMAD when it was in Reading. FR will probably only be involved, if as much, in a simmilar roll they are at Glastonbury. I dont see this as a big buisness attack on WOMAD, and WOMAD arnt exactly small frys anyway.

I don'think anyone thought Thomas Brooman was going to just sit on his hands after he and Womad parted company... But as William says, one for another thread.

Absolutely shocking news about Tony. I wonder how good his political connections are. I fear sucking up to politiicans wouldn't necessarily be his forte.

Edited by RichardH, 25 September 2008 - 05:27 PM.


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Posted 25 September 2008 - 06:41 PM

Is this one where the Association of Independent Festivals Organisers or whatever they are called, can show their strength?

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Posted 25 September 2008 - 11:14 PM

View PostMackem, on Sep 25 2008, 11:24 AM, said:


And pretty well too, nice press campaign Tony!! <applauds>  :ph34r:

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 01:40 AM

View Post5co77ie, on Sep 25 2008, 10:18 AM, said:

Just out of interest does anyone know roughly how many other largish independent festivals are run on council owned property - i couldn't think of any last night.

Hmm.  Not sure my own Stoke Bay Festival qualifies as 'largish' but it was certainly run on council owned land this summer.

Looking at Guildford Borough Council's minutes it seems that when their Executive gave permission for Guilfest 2008 way back in January they also resolved to "discuss with the Guilfest organiser arrangements for the staging of Guilfest in future years, and to review all other significant events held at Stoke Park including the financial basis on which such events are permitted to take place and to submit a further report to the Executive."

A warning sign of what might follow if ever there was one!

It's no secret that the Council has been trying to squeeze more money out of Guilfest.  The present hiring agreement is actually quite a fair one - Guilfest pays a percentage of any profit up to a maximum hiring fee of £20,000 but if the Festival makes a loss (as it frequently does) the Council gets no hiring fee at all.

One can understand the Council being attracted by any other Festival that offers a guaranteed hiring fee every year irrespective or profit or loss.

That said, the world is littered with people who offer lots more cash then fail to deliver the dosh.

Tony has succeeded in staging a damn good Festival over some 17 years that may only have generated modest income for the Council but has generated many hundreds of thousands of pounds every year for the local economy, quite apart from the pleasure it has given local music fans and the chance to perform it has given to hundreds of local musicians.

There is no guarantee than any other promoter could or would deliver the same.

Now that the threat to Guilfest is out in the open I hope Guildford-based musicians, traders and residents who have enjoyed and benefitted from the Festival over many years will make their support for the existing Guilfest very clear to their elected representatives.

As an elected councillor myself in Hampshire I know that a few letters, emails and phone calls from angry residents can soon make councillors think again about any proposal for another festival that could force Guilfest out of existence.

And having attended every single Guilfest since year one I know what a superb job Tony has done in building-up the event from tiny beginnings.  He deserves all the support he can get to keep it going.

P.S.  Guildford Councillors would do well to look at what happened this summer just 40 miles south on the A3.  Portsmouth City Council gave two new promoters permission to stage big festivals on their land.  Both got cancelled (one by the Council itself) and the Councillors ended-up with no income at all and a lot of egg on their faces!!!

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 12:33 PM

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Just out of interest does anyone know roughly how many other largish independent festivals are run on council owned property - i couldn't think of any last night.

I believe Summer Sundae is run on Council land and Leicester Council are one of the main partners in the event.

Probably one of the reasons why the event works well and doesn't seem to be under threat as the Council have been fully engaged and involved in the event.

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Posted 26 September 2008 - 06:19 PM

Having a year dominated by corporate festivals gives no one else a chance. When a CEO of a large company decides he wants a festival it's solely for money and not for the love of music and performing arts shown by the independent organisers like Tony Scott.

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 08:29 AM

I am not shocked that this is happening but the Council do seem to be treating Guilfest very shoddily.

I've said elsewhere that I think Guilfest needs to step-up somehow, improve its status, and find ways of putting on more "noteworthy" acts - I'm not talking about booking U2 or anything stupid......but the next Bon Iver, James Morrison, Arcade Fire, Nick Cave, etc are out there............or maybe even non-music stuff. I think it's suffered from trying to be just a bit too cheap......it needed to say to fans "we HAVE to charge more, both to give more in terms of line-up and to contribute more to the local community"........this would knock-on to upping the ability to attract sponsorship, etc. I am aware of the risk involved here but the bottom line is if a festival can't make money......it HAS to change.

But the council should've gone to Tony Scott, told him about the offer, and sat down with him to talk about how they could help him to bring a bit more status, maybe guarantee the council some sort of income at least. He and the festival have given so much to the area they deserve to be treated far better.

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 09:50 AM

View Postgeofelgie, on Oct 1 2008, 09:29 AM, said:

I am not shocked that this is happening but the Council do seem to be treating Guilfest very shoddily.

I've said elsewhere that I think Guilfest needs to step-up somehow, improve its status, and find ways of putting on more "noteworthy" acts - I'm not talking about booking U2 or anything stupid......but the next Bon Iver, James Morrison, Arcade Fire, Nick Cave, etc are out there............or maybe even non-music stuff. I think it's suffered from trying to be just a bit too cheap......it needed to say to fans "we HAVE to charge more, both to give more in terms of line-up and to contribute more to the local community"........this would knock-on to upping the ability to attract sponsorship, etc. I am aware of the risk involved here but the bottom line is if a festival can't make money......it HAS to change.

But the council should've gone to Tony Scott, told him about the offer, and sat down with him to talk about how they could help him to bring a bit more status, maybe guarantee the council some sort of income at least. He and the festival have given so much to the area they deserve to be treated far better.

Good post, good points.

I think the main thrust of local campaigning should definitely focus on the aspects I've bolded. There must be some independent minded (opposition??) councillors, one or two more community minded ones, who'd pick up on those points if prompted in the right way ....

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Posted 01 October 2008 - 12:18 PM

I spoke to Stuart Galbraith yesterday, rather nice bloke, although his company Kilimanjaro are not involved with this AEG event - he said he believed the council approached them about a new festival - not the other way around.

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Posted 02 October 2008 - 08:48 AM

View Post5co77ie, on Oct 1 2008, 01:18 PM, said:

I spoke to Stuart Galbraith yesterday, rather nice bloke, although his company Kilimanjaro are not involved with this AEG event - he said he believed the council approached them about a new festival - not the other way around.

That puts Guildford Council in an even worse light, and should be publicised locally I'd have thought, some more critical publicity about the Council's slippery behaviour could be generated ....

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Posted 10 October 2008 - 02:44 PM

Excellent news today (10 October) that AEG appear to have withdrawn their proposal for a new Festival that could have spelt the end for Guilfest.

Hopefully that will allow Tony Scott to plan Guilfest 2009 without further hostile rivalry.

Nice when one of the little guys sees off the big commercial concerns.

Well done Tony!

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Posted 10 October 2008 - 03:42 PM

Brilliant news :rolleyes:

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Posted 15 October 2008 - 04:42 PM

More details in efests news form here ....

:lol:   :o   :P  :D

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Posted 28 November 2008 - 09:27 AM

Great news for Guilfest and the organisers.
One thinks that their should be some Q & A from Council as too their approaching rival companies about staging an event on the same grounds where an existing successful festival is already in place.
How very dare they.

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 03:17 AM

What is the latest with Guilfest for 2009?  :)
Very sad to read this thread & I'm not up to speed with whether this lovely Festival is gonna happen this summer or not.  :P

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Posted 20 February 2009 - 08:04 AM

View PostHarrow Strongbow Ciderman!, on Feb 20 2009, 03:17 AM, said:

What is the latest with Guilfest for 2009?  :P
Very sad to read this thread & I'm not up to speed with whether this lovely Festival is gonna happen this summer or not.  :)
yeah, it's going ahead, no problems.

They'd have even been the first line-up announcement by now (which is very unusual this early), but one of the bands they'd booked cancelled on them (with good reason).

First line-up details are normally announced in about March, and I guess it'll be the same this year. Last I heard (a little while back now) they were yet to book headliners.

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Posted 21 February 2009 - 03:15 AM

View PosteFestivals, on Feb 20 2009, 08:04 AM, said:

yeah, it's going ahead, no problems.

They'd have even been the first line-up announcement by now (which is very unusual this early), but one of the bands they'd booked cancelled on them (with good reason).

First line-up details are normally announced in about March, and I guess it'll be the same this year. Last I heard (a little while back now) they were yet to book headliners.
Thanks for confirming that.




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