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  2. Crowd control issues

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    6 hours ago, Alvoram said:

    Ok so as a first timer then, are these crazy crushes not normal?

    Been in a couple already including the Arcadia one. We were at Williams Green all day Thursday, it was insanely busy. (Although you had to laugh at the youngsters rushing into the tent on opening only to walk back out with looks of disgust on their faces when they realised it was a movie! 😂)

    We are enjoying it, a lot, but have both said that sometimes the crowds / crushes are a bit scary, do not feel well managed, and almost seem like a disaster waiting to happen. 

    At least part of it must be not having been at a big festival for three years. Same story with Primavera. Not saying there aren’t genuine crowd issues but wouldn’t surprise me if crowds we would have considered reasonable before now feel like too much to handle.

  4. Primavera Sound 2022

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    1 minute ago, spoiledff7 said:

    And how many times before this? I mean - that shouldn’t matter - it was clearly laughably oversold on the first Thursday but I’m curious

    Third time this year. I’ve also done Glasto multiple times and other festivals.

    I’m not saying that there weren’t issues, there clearly were, but the overall amount of people wasn’t one of them for me.

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    32 minutes ago, yaniv297 said:

    Well, the big obvious advantage would be being able to enjoy shows at both stages? For example Fontaines->Beck->National, I was at the Fontaines/National stage. In the old addition I wouldn't be able to see or hear anything that was going on at Beck (even the screens didn't show the other stage), but now I was able to watch Beck do his thing while waiting for the National.

    There's obvious crowd management issues - for me I think the big WTF decision was not having any sort of barrier between the two stages - but there's a definite advantage of being able to enjoy the other stage while waiting for a show in the first one.

    100% I like this setup better too. Just wish they would get rid of the big bar tents and install proper barriers.

  7. Primavera Sound 2022

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    1 hour ago, Chilly Toad said:

    Said "thank you, Primavera" before, let me state that this is for the music mainly. In that regard, the first weekend was great for me. As a positive, they also managed to work out some problems after that Thursday.

    Being home with Corona now (who of the first-weekenders isn´t, by the way?), I would also mention some negatives.

    VIP tickets were a scam in my opinion. I understand everyone who says they shouldn´t exist at all, but if they do offer them, there should be some significant advantage for the significantly higher price. What did VIP-holders get? No more access to the front of the stage. An area called "front of the house" or something where, while watching the shows and enjoying the admittedly good sound, you mingle with the people waiting in line at the (too few) toilets. Another, huge, area with a view of a big screen, but not of a stage (and with very suspect toilets). Way too few seats, tables etc. there  to be really comfortable. Why didn´t they keep this stand at the sideline as before, it was always a perfect place to relax and still see the main stages from not so close. The other VIP area with mediocre view and worse sound than the years before (when it wasn´t good to begin with). Access to Sala Apolo on Sunday was easy with the VIP wristband, however.

    The perks for holding on to your tickets = giving Primavera considerable credit and financial wiggle room for years? The ugliest Pull&Bear merch shirt imaginable, the privilege of looking at a "book" on your computer screen and money to spend that I simply wasn´t able to spend wherever I tried - and I did try at the right places until I gave up. Really a joke.

    I didn´t understand the need for the new stage setting at Mordor, and didn´t like it. I also didn´t understand this Boiler Room thing being so close to Plenitude. Whenever the music on Plenitude wasn´t full throttle, you heard the Boiler Room. Why not have this stage in the BITS area, where the music would fit way better anyway?

    Most probably massively oversold; incredibly, almost amateurishly unable to properly organize the amount of people they had to expect coming (not so difficult, one per ticket was quite probable, right?). Ridiculous security situation at the main stages and on the Binance stage. No wave breakers, too few and disinterested security personnel, some simply watching the bands and every five minutes looking to their left and right. The water. The bars. The hygiene. Just saying - do this in the US and risk getting sued in ways they cannot imagine in their catalonian feel-good-bubble. Do they realize this at all? I do think a lot of what they got away with all these years and what honestly made the festival so loveable was a result of the local government being very lenient, including tax breaks.

    Still, the music was superb as always. If they do a good job of working out the problems, mainly the oversell and safety, AND communicate this early, clearly and transparently, I´d be back (pending the Corona situation, of course). Communications being what they are with Primavera, that will be quite a task for them.

     

    Am I the only one who didn’t feel like they oversold?

    I think the issues were mostly with poor crowd control and the big sound tent / bar area on Mordor that creates bottlenecks on the side. It never felt to me like there were too many people in the site overall.

    > Just saying - do this in the US and risk getting sued in ways they cannot imagine in their catalonian feel-good-bubble.

    lmao chill

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  9. Primavera Sound 2022

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    1 hour ago, Ohjesus said:

    i heard from a friend it was one in one out now, security turning people back 

    Really wasn’t that bad. We showed up the watch Lorde from the left side and got a great spot. The big booth in the middle creates a bottleneck though that makes the sides seem extra busy.

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    3 minutes ago, FloorFiller said:

    It makes sense for crowd management for sure, but it fucking sucks as somebody who was massively excited to see both Bicep and 2manydjs. 

    This is going to be little consolation but Anz is massive and she’s playing right after Bicep on the NTS stage.

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    10 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

    It was my first time and I've found this festival to have an extremely high faff to fun ratio.

    That’s a shame and it really hasn’t been that way in past editions. Communication has never been their strength but some of the organisational fuckups were unique to this year.

    Really hope they can turn things around in 2023 because the lineup remains unparalleled.

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  21. Primavera Sound 2022

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    3 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

    The capacity increase has essentially taken the festival site (and many punters' experience) to breaking point, and I'm not sure there's any way back from that unless there's either a brave reconsideration of how many tickets they sell (unlikely given the extra profits they'll have seen across the weekend) or much smarter timetabling and site management.

    The Thursday was one of my least favourite days of any music event I've been to, and the sometimes extremely dangerous over-crowding at places like Binance and Cupro across the weekend was a great example of just packing too many people into a site that can't handle it anymore.

    Has it really? It didn’t feel much busier than at other festivals I have been to.

  22. Primavera Sound 2022

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    11 minutes ago, TomViolence said:

    Who are you going to see? We're near Sala Apolo and the queue was minimal so we've decided to grab a quick bite somewhere. Hopefully don't regret that!!

    Apolo already stopped letting people in 😬 I’m waiting in the W1+W2 line for Sons of Kemet

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