I'm perversely enjoying this thread.
Some wonderfully erudite exchanges without reverting to mud-slinging, and all very valid points.
William's Green Stage was by far my favourite place to be (even named my son after it, as he was conceived a stone's throw away (too much info))
In fairness, we probably spent too much time over the last decade milling about there.
So we've decided to try out alternative venues to meet up and/or to retire to.
And that's a good thing, even if not the intention.