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Anyone pulled out?

And how did Amahla do? My third fave of what I heard

When does it start?

First time I’ve not been there - we shall return

Wish I was there, bloody cancer

Lewis McLaughlin To perform Summer for the win?

Are they not doing one tonight?

Are they not doing one tonight?

ha ha forgot that

my review is here: https://www.efestivals.co.uk/festivals/endoftheroad/2021/review.shtml if you have the time for what was a bit of a long worded piece this year, I'm rusty...

Brilliant! Thanks all - much love, awesome job, wow have i missed doing that

I never labelled all cancer patients as vulnerable - i don't think anyone thinks that, I was talking within the remit of the people I provide assistance for in South Devon. I wholly apologize if anyone took it the wrong way.

It’s back?

Seems even more acceptable: ”The Government’s cost-benefit analysis on Covid measures is believed to set not only the acceptable level of cost to save the life of a Covid patient at up to £30,000, but also how much each life lost costs the UK economy. It is understood the analysis shows that the cost of keeping the annual death rate below 50,000 would outweigh the cost to the UK economy of allowing it to rise above this level.” https://inews.co.uk/news/boris-johnson-privately-accepts-up-to-50000-annual-covid-deaths-as-an-acceptable-level-1170069

Oh god - obviously not any cancers but those who are having severely immunosuppressive treatments such as stem cell transplant (bone marrow transplant) or B-cells treatment directed against antibody-producing immune cells - you know any of them? I'll quit whilst I'm behind - and leave the petri dish of accusation and recrimination so well fostered - /me flounces off for the weekend.

En række tiltag for at overvåge epidemien vil dog fortsætte, skriver Magnus Heunicke på Twitter. - Vi fortsætter med en stærk epidemiovervågning, test, sekventering, spildevandstest mm., en effektiv vaccinationsudrulning og en parathed til at sætte ind, skulle det blive nødvendigt, skriver han.

We are moving to an age of individual responsibility - it's entirely up to each individual how they go forward. If no one in your friends or family interaction circle has cancer or a condition which prevents them having the jab - you are welcome to proceed as you wish. If they do then you move to a position of 'individual responsibility' there's no need to prevent anything. We have moved from Government saying the "vaccines break the chain" to the "vaccines take the edge off" - but there's no reason to do "anything else". The Pandemic is likely to last at least another 2 years - and we have to accept that it will at times cause disruption in our lives, or more likely the lives of those who have always been in the "most at risk" category.

I think it's you who is trying to muddy the waters - your list includes a raft of secondary symptoms - you won't be referred to a Long Covid clinic if your only symptom is a loss of taste or smell. It's more than a small handful (for reference it's a lot more than ME) I'm not a fountain of knowledge - my job involves writing specialist articles on and referring those needing treatment for mental and physical conditions (not just Long Covid - everything from PTSD to menopause) recommending treatment centres and specialist practitioners. I have no interest in Government persee you only have to look at how they've dealt with the climate crisis to know they have failed us, and that's coming form a person who has worked with the Transition Network for the last decade - I can say I'm well beyond Government led solutions and focus wholly on community solutions - I mena I don't see a Green Government in charge - at least not at national level. Here forinstance is the recommended guidance for GPs (release at the end of last year): https://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/news/clinical-areas/respiratory/gps-should-consider-long-covid-referral-after-just-four-weeks-says-final-nice-guideline/ Presumably the Lancet are talking this bollox you mention too? >>>>>>> https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(21)01900-0/fulltext For ease I include The Guardian's precis: Half of Covid hospitalised patients still have symptoms a year later, study finds Fatigue and shortness of breath still afflict many patients a year after their hospitalisation for Covid-19, according to a Chinese study calling for a better understanding of the pandemic’s long-term health effects. About half of patients discharged from hospital for Covid still suffer from at least one persistent symptom – most often fatigue or muscle weakness – after 12 months, said the study published in British medical journal the Lancet today, as reported by Agence France-Presse. The research, the largest yet on the condition known as “long Covid”, added that one in three patients still have shortness of breath a year after their diagnosis. That number is even higher in patients hit more severely by the illness. The Lancet said in an editorial published with the study: With no proven treatments or even rehabilitation guidance, long Covid affects people’s ability to resume normal life and their capacity to work. The study shows that for many patients, full recovery from Covid-19 will take more than 1 year. The study followed nearly 1,300 people hospitalised for Covid between January and May 2020 in the central Chinese city of Wuhan – the first place affected by a pandemic that has since infected 214 million people worldwide, killing more than 4 million. The share of observed patients with at least one symptom decreased from 68% after six months to 49% after 12 months. Respiratory discomfort increased from 26% of patients after six months to 30% after 12 months, it said. It found affected women were 43% more likely than affected men to suffer from fatigue or persistent muscle weakness, and twice as likely to be diagnosed with anxiety or depression. But it said 88% of patients who worked before their diagnosis had returned to their jobs a year later. The study adds to previous research that warned authorities in different countries they must be prepared to provide long-term support to health workers and patients affected by Covid. “Long Covid is a modern medical challenge of the first order,” the editorial said, calling for more research to understand the condition and better care for patients who suffer from it.

As someone who grew up in Asia Pacific I have to say they're sensible to wait until they know what they're dealing with there's some nasty tropical diseases they've come up against in the past.

I am firmly of the opinion that with the "edge taken off", with 200 Long-Covid Clinics planned (currently around 70 open) with £18.5 million already allocated for Long Covid research and £40 million earmarked for therapy development, a new booster and flu jab proposal, although it has been moved from September to a slated start in December (except for cohorts 1-4) mybe for 12+ vaccines to be administered first, and a public wary in the main and observing social distancing measures (this industry aside), my guess is the expected and much rumoured in NHS circles September 'circuit breaker' won't happen and BoJo will try and ride it out for as long as he can - I expect the "herd immunity" narrative to be replaced with 'individual immunity" and restrictions to be as minimal as possible, Boris would rather the "bodies in the streets" than put personal freedoms on the line again. If he wants to stay Tory leader he won't be ushering in any more lockdowns.

no it doesn't - long-covid is a fatigue syndrome similar to ME - not losing your sense of smell. It has two main groups of symptoms 1. mainly respiratory - ie difficulty in breathing particularly while moving. 2. affecting organs of the body - particularly including the heart, brain and the gut. Causing: fatigue, disorientation, headache, heart palpitations or increased heartbeat, and pins and needles, numbness and ‘brain fog’, and loss of cognitive process.

Interesting that the Torygraph floated this balloon today then: "BRITAIN’S Health Department said it has not made any decision on Covid-19 vaccines for 12 to 15 year olds after the Telegraph reported the National Health Service (NHS) planned vaccinations from the first week children return to school in September." https://www.easterneye.biz/uk-says-no-decision-yet-on-covid-19-vaccine-for-12-to-15-year-olds/

ooo get me I live in a hot-spot the BBC recommends you think twice before visiting me. Doesn't say I should think twice before attending a festival. EDIT: Actually I shouldn't be so dismissive this contains : "The "good news", Prof Adam Finn, of the Joint Committee on Vaccination and Immunisation (JCVI), says, is the vaccines, having effectively taken the edge off the virus by giving our immune system a head start, are still working very well." But as I say "taking the edge off" is not a full on cure - and for Melvin to be calling the Pandemic over is to seriously misjudge where we are, we are not there yet.

strikes me as odd too - I've no idea how clinicians come to these outcomes, and my role (to some extent) is to help those who are told that to be able to deal with it - and recommend pathways - be it practitioners, therapists, treatments and wellbeing options to help them cope going forward and process where they are with it now. All i know is it's based on the state of the person's nervous and immune system. The archer I was talking about earlier hasn't been able to recharge his batteries or escape constant fatigue - and they've come to that decision based on how knackered he is. Obviously he's in CBT Therapy and the like so he's getting help and drugs to manage the condition - but there's no sign of him not having to live with it - that's not to say treatment won't make him more able to cope. I believe in readiness for next year the Government have chucked hundreds of millions of pounds at Chronic fatigue syndrome (and by extension ME) in an attempt to R&D better drugs to cope with it. My worry is no one of us, has a scooby how many people could get Long Covid, how badly, or what long term effects we could have to endure. I've not been on eFestivals much despite being back working behind the scenes - because I'm cascadent at how irresponsible it is for Boris and Co. to put the economy over the general population, over something we literally have no data on yet. I know in South Devon last year the number needing Long Covid support could be counted on one hand now we have over 300 to help, including teenagers, and that's just those accepting of their condition - I'm firmly of the opinion there's hundreds more that are just feeling a "bit tired all the time" and not getting help. NERVTAG data on genomic analysis back in January showed that the relative prevalence odds of the Delta variant doubled every 6.4 days, was 70% more infectious, and had a 'higher chance of developing Long Covid' - yet the warnings were not passed on to the public. For comparison of that 900,000+ currently in the UK with Long Covid the nearest similar condition is Myalgic encephalomyelitis (ME) or chronic fatigue syndrome (CFS) - which is where pre-Covid many of our recommendations for practitioners were from. Total numbers of ME-CFS patients in the UK in 2019? Well it was around 250,000 in the UK, and around 17 million people worldwide, Long-Covid already is far above that. It is highly likely that young schoolchildren are not very likely to become seriously ill, but we have no idea what potential there is for children’s immune systems to suffer Long Covid, they do get ME - that is not something I’d like to consider our government believe is worth taking the risk, but they are day after day (asking most parents if they think 1 in 50 is acceptable odds for their child? - https://www.nursinginpractice.com/clinical/respiratory/long-covid-uncommon-in-children/). Which is why children vaccinations will be on the way - despite warning articles like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/16/briefing/long-covid-afghanistan-haiti.html Which is where I get my 1/3 of cases figure from. "While most people recover from mild to moderate Covid-19 in a few weeks, long Covid is a perplexing set of symptoms — brain fog, fatigue and muscle pain, to name a few — that can persist for weeks or months after the active infection has ended. And it doesn’t happen only to people who had serious illness; sometimes long Covid affects people who had mild illness or no symptoms at all. And while many viruses, like influenza, also can lead to long-term fatigue and other symptoms, long Covid appears to be more common, although more data is needed. Several studies suggest that 10 percent to 30 percent of adults who catch the virus may experience long Covid." Both the recent CDC (USA) and Zoe (Oxford) studies put big question marks on how well vaccines 'prevent' Long Covid - but as i keep saying right now - no one has been double jabbed, then got Covid, then had months to develop Long Covid - most people are only 2-3 months into their second jabs.

Tell me about, my wife works with someone who had Covid in 2020, went to Boardmasters (in a working capacity) and now has it again - she's not well but at home, and is also double jabbed.